Fishing

[dasva]

it was breaking ToS to modify your computer.

This made me lol alot. Yep you heard it according to GMs the ToS covers things you do outside of the game. What's next overclocking your comp is against the ToS for ffxi? Get banned for watching porn?

[crux]

so does the signboard though, are you saying the aura strength on big one doesn't matter then? If so then there's no point to the map? I thought you needed all the moglification/moghancement items to be stronger than whatever your storage crap is? I am probably pulling that out of my ass though, I honestly don't remember and I know I knew the answer to this back in 2009 -.-

I can tell you that with the other crafts, all three furnishings are needed to get the mega boost. I don't see why the aura strength would matter, except for the piece that ultimately brings about the final moglification (presumably the stall). That said, I don't know that anyone has tested and compared the 50k item with the 150k item. I have no idea how the 50k one works in the equation. Might be better going to the crafting thread to ask about that. I wouldn't assume the aura strength has anything to do with it, anyway. It's also worth noting that I have Mega Moglification: Fishing, despite only owning the stall.

Speaking of furnishings, it'd be nice to get some auto-regen/neutral/draining values on fish above 100 skill, in order to try to narrow down the values of the furniture.

[shaddix]

I wouldn't assume the aura strength has anything to do with it, anyway. It's also worth noting that I have Mega Moglification: Fishing, despite only owning the stall.

Speaking of furnishings, it'd be nice to get some auto-regen/neutral/draining values on fish above 100 skill, in order to try to narrow down the values of the furniture.

If you have it with stall only then forget the signboard!

If you have furnishings with aura strength stronger than your fishing stuff then you won't get fishing moghancement/moglification. Hence the map is better than the big one so you have more storage options. But if you can get Mega with just the stall, then I don't see the point in any of that other crap.

[cdgreg]

I can tell you that with the other crafts, all three furnishings are needed to get the mega boost. I don't see why the aura strength would matter, except for the piece that ultimately brings about the final moglification (presumably the stall). That said, I don't know that anyone has tested and compared the 50k item with the 150k item. I have no idea how the 50k one works in the equation. Might be better going to the crafting thread to ask about that. I wouldn't assume the aura strength has anything to do with it, anyway. It's also worth noting that I have Mega Moglification: Fishing, despite only owning the stall.

Speaking of furnishings, it'd be nice to get some auto-regen/neutral/draining values on fish above 100 skill, in order to try to narrow down the values of the furniture.

I have 200k signboard, the big one, and im in the process of making the stall now. I'll see what I can come up with using a non-ebisu rod and pter's in nashmau

edit: idk if I need fish net thing too, we'll see

[cdgreg]

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1402/megamog.jpg

I'll test strength later. I also plan on getting the net GP item once I accrue 50k more GPs, so I'll test then as well if it adds another +1.

[Aihree]

I'm not so sure that Mega Moglification includes Moglification. Trying to finish the push to 100 on cheraxes, and they definitely seem harder to pull up with MM than they do without the stall in place.

On the other hand, it may be because I've never quite understood what Moglification did other than someone calling it a "penguin ring-like effect"....

[urat]

So far we have 5 furnishing that seem to pertain to fishing skill;

Fishing net/lure
The Big One
Fishing Hole Map
Signboard
Fishermen's Stall

If the stall follows the pattern of signboard, all of these by themselves should just give the tier 1 mogehancement.

In order to hit tier 2 you need the stall + 1 tier 1 item, which would be the fishing hole map, the big one, and I'm willing to bet the lure/bait set. Once these two combine you get moglification.

Finally if you stack on top of that the stall you get super moglification.

It could also be very possible the lure/net furnishing is a cheaper tier 2 furnishing to use instead of the sign, allowing you to get moglification for only 50K gp but with a much MUCH lower cap on your energy, making it hard to put other furniture in your house without overriding the moglification.

Wherease the sign has a very high potency meaning you can put lots of other furniture in your house without worry of overriding and letting you increase the strength of your house's aura, though I believe testing has shown that a stronger tier aura has little to no effect on the moglification? yes/no?

Basically:

Tier 1:
The Big One
Fishing hole Map

Tier 2:
Signboard

Tier 3:
Fishing Stall

Tier ?:
Lure and Net

Tier 1 + Tier 2 = Moglification
Tier 1 + Tier 2 + Tier 3 = super moglification

So all that remains is to figure out where lure and net fit in this group.

[shaddix]

but crux has mega moglification with just stall?

[nitsuj]

I'm not so sure that Mega Moglification includes Moglification. Trying to finish the push to 100 on cheraxes, and they definitely seem harder to pull up with MM than they do without the stall in place.

On the other hand, it may be because I've never quite understood what Moglification did other than someone calling it a "penguin ring-like effect"....

Yekyaa @windower just got his stall and he's seeing similar results. This is one of a few things we're looking at at the moment, since 4 of the 5 Windower devs have Ebisu rods :D (Poor Starhawk...). But there may be truth to this, sadly.

[urat]

but crux has mega moglification with just stall?

I see that now, hmmm.

Well it appears SE has broken everything I held dear regarding moghancements. It's out the window atm but maybe there's some kind of stackign effect required for the moglifications?

That or maybe its a glitch and SE just fucked up, which I could see happening to fishing only because unlike the other guilds our moglification system is a bit more complex due to The Big One.

[cdgreg]

but crux has mega moglification with just stall?

Testing right now
Signboard + stall = mega moglification
Big one + stall = mega moglification
stall alone = mega moglification

[urat]

Testing right now
Signboard + stall = mega moglification
Big one + stall = mega moglification
stall alone = mega moglification

I'm thinking this might be a fuck up on SEs part? AFAIK this doesn't fit in with the other stalls no?

[Aihree]

So you can either choose "easier to pull up fishes" or "quicker rod response on catch/no catch". That's harsh.

[cdgreg]

I'm thinking this might be a fuck up on SEs part? AFAIK this doesn't fit in with the other stalls no?

I can test alchemist's stall ONLY later tonight once im out of abyssea if no one can verify sooner.

edit: ended early, going to test now.

double edit: alchemy stall ALONE = mega moglification: Alchemy

[shaddix]

Well ok that settles it. With the talk of signboard having no effect if you have stall I'm just going to spend my GP on the uh whatever item it is that you need for that. As bite speed + sounds better than stamina drain+.

[Talila]

Not sure if having more makes the mega moglification stronger, but I have ONLY the stall and have mega moglification: fishing. I have zero other fishing GP items nor do I have a big one.

[shaddix]

73-77 with lu has auto-regen on titanictus. Have to level up some more.........

[cdgreg]

73-77 with lu has auto-regen on titanictus. Have to level up some more.........

hmmm, pretty sure that contradicts some shit, but that's ok. Hopefully with some contradictions and more data we can eventually get this figured out. Thanks for the continued info.

[urat]

I can test alchemist's stall ONLY later tonight once im out of abyssea if no one can verify sooner.

edit: ended early, going to test now.

double edit: alchemy stall ALONE = mega moglification: Alchemy

Looks like this is another example of taking wiki for granite. So if this is the case then what is the point of all the other furniture when you can just get top tier moghancement for a fraction of the GP?

Their has to be more to this moglification thing, I don't see SE handing us an item for a fraction of the GP that is far superior to what would be, what? nearly 300K GP to get something thats sub par.

I'm betting you get something even better if you put everything together. It wouldn't make sense for it to be as is...

[shaddix]

Wow crocodilos is difficult o_o...... I can't do it without albatross, and i keep getting lack of skill message Q_Q