Fishing

[Yekyaa]

This strength... You get the sense that you are on the verge of an epic catch!
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based on what I'm seeing, my guess would be since there's different messages that either
1) They're random. or
2) It's the "Fishing Skill Cap of Fish" vs "Fishing Skill of Player + Fishing Skill Items" message. like -10 and below for low, -10 to -0 for 2nd, 0 to 10 for 3rd 10+ for fourth?

Also, once I find or someone finds the Fisher's Torque and Fisher's Rope, that combined with the +2 Advanced Fisherman's Belt I'm going to attempt to get a critical bite on Hakuryu to see if it's possible.

[urat]

based on what I'm seeing, my guess would be since there's different messages that either
1) They're random. or
2) It's the "Fishing Skill Cap of Fish" vs "Fishing Skill of Player + Fishing Skill Items" message. like -10 and below for low, -10 to -0 for 2nd, 0 to 10 for 3rd 10+ for fourth?

Also, once I find or someone finds the Fisher's Torque and Fisher's Rope, that combined with the +2 Advanced Fisherman's Belt I'm going to attempt to get a critical bite on Hakuryu to see if it's possible.

If fishign stall works same as other stalls and we're correct on ebisu's +46 or whatever fishing skill, everything together you can hit a max of 162 fishing skill at the moment.

[Yekyaa]

I don't believe the Ebisu +46 skill for a moment, however I do have record of ID for Hakuryu on Lu Shang's on mule with Serpent Rumors (no Ebisu mid-week) and ID for Hakuryu on Ebisu on mule with only Serpent Rumors. The numbers are skewed pretty wildly, however I think it has to do with the hidden boost given to Ebisu.

[shaddix]

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[Kalila]

luckyyyy

grats lol

[Kalila]

ATM my data is very small, but so far I've recorded "This strength... You get the sense that you are on the verge of an epic catch!" being just as frequent as "You don't know if you have enough skill to reel this one in." (maybe slightly more than "You don't know if you have enough skill to reel this one in."), but "This strength... You get the sense that you are on the verge of an epic catch!" has a higher snap rate than "You don't know if you have enough skill to reel this one in.". Both "You're fairly sure you don't have enough skill to reel this one in." and "You're positive you don't have enough skill to reel this one in!" are rare ("You're positive you don't have enough skill to reel this one in!" having a much higher snap rate than "You're fairly sure you don't have enough skill to reel this one in." does).

/end confusing messages spam >.>

[urat]

List of monster IDs I have:

300-19-15-9
300-16-11-8
300-15-12-7
300-17-10-8
300-16-15-8
Wait...wat? There's an obvious pattern here showing that the IDs clearly arent arbitrary numbers in a mtrix, but they actually seem to hold some kind of significance over the type of fish they represent...

Items next...

Rusty Spear: 60-17-15-8
Rusty Kunai: 100-16-15-8
Rusty Subligar: 60-22-15-11
Rusty Leggings: 60-26-15-13
Rusty Bucket: 60-19-15-9
Arrowwood log: 60-18-15-9
Cobalt Jellyfish: 20-28-15-14

Small Fish:
Crayfish (maybe item? Gotta test this): 140-24-15-12
Moat Carp: 200-16-12-8
Greedie: 300-10-9-5
Bastore Bream: 200-31-9-15
Ogre Eel: 240-29-15-14
Black Sole: 240-33-7-16
Black Sole (crit): 240-33-7-11

Big Fish:
Crocodilos: 260-25-3-12
Croc + Ring: 300-25-2-12
Blowfish: 180-25-9-12
Pelazoea 240-22-6-11
Three-Eyed Fish: 180-22-11-11
Grimmonite: 140-31-9-15
Hakuryu: 260-37-4-24
Takitaro: 280-27-4-18
Soryu: 60-49-13-100
Cave Cherax: 80-61-8-45
Kokuryu: 160-54-5-36
Giant Catfish: 240-13-7-6
Sekiryu: 160-43-6-32
Gigant Octopus: 220-27-4-20
King Perch: 160-19-10-9
Gugrusaurus (I can never spell this right): 100-43-7-32

Ok so right off the bat we can see a very obvious pattern in monsters.

Second, ID1 seems to always be a multiple of 20. ID2-4 seem to have values from low to high.

Monsters:
300-300 | 16-19 | 10-15 | 07-09 |
Items: (excluding jellyfish which seems to be an out-lier)
060-100 | 18-26 | 15-15 | 09-13 |
Small Fish:
200-300 | 20-30 | 07-15 | 11-15 |
Big Fish:
150-300 | 25-50 | 03-09 | 12-20 |

Taking outliers, we get some big weirdos like...

Cobalt jellyfish, even though in game it kinda behaves like an item, its ID1 is significantly lower than the rest, whereas its ID2 and ID4 are much higher. All items have ID3 = 15 though. This leads me to believe ID3 represents rod movement somehow. This is further supported by the fact that crayfish has an ID3 of 15, yet ogre eel has this at 15 as well, so what does ogre eel have in common with all these other fish...? hmmm =/

The big fish have lots of interesting fish to note. First off check out Soryu's ID4 compared to all the other fish. While they sit around 12-20, soryu has a whoppign 100! And what else did I notice about Soryu? Bitch snapped lines like no one's business.

Another fish that has a high ID4 is Cave Cherax. So the question is what does Cave Cherax and Soryu have in common, Cave Cherax not so much (or more)

As we can see for my croc and croc+ring, we see its ID4 dropped by 40 and ID3 (which seems to be rod pattern) drops by 1. Could this number represent hang time on sides inversely? Items tend to prefer the middle whereas croc is often on the sides but all over. We do know ring makes them hang on the sides more so maybe this is part of its effect?

There should be 4 total values for a fish:
Max HP
Rod speed
Regeneration
Depletion rate.

My theory is the first value represents depletion rate, the second health, the third rod's tendency to hang in middle, and the forth remaining must be regeneration rate. And as we see with our crits which SE confirmed lower regeneration, ID4 is much much lower on a crit fish.

[shaddix]

Very nice preliminary analysis. Surprised to see that hakuryu have the lowest regen rate. Does atma of the ace angler effect the attributes at all? Kind of a long shot test.....

I am getting critical bites on hakuryu. So my skill is higher than them apparently. I will have a lv90 ebisu here soon as well, maybe can do some tests.

Actually this means I should grab a lu shang and see if I get critical bites on my lv100 character on haks doesn't it?

[urat]

Actually scratch that Soryu is just a fucking weird fish across the board, ID1 is the lowest you can get, ID2 is so high its off the chart, ID4 is... fucking 100, what in the...

The only reasonable value it has is ID3, which seems to be a little on the high side.

So according to my theory it has super slow depletion, retard amounts of HP, rod acts like your average Big fish, and an incredibly high regeneration rate...

From my experience with this giant ass sonufabitch, all of those support what the fish acts like. We needz moar data, I know a programmer for FFACE has made a fishbot that uses an online database to track values for fish IDs, I wonder if I could convince her to hook me up with an export of her data tables, if I could, say, sort all fish from lowest to highest IDs in each category, I wonder if obvious patterns would show up. My guess is yes.

[shaddix]

Ok I can't test this. Someone willing to bot needs to I can't sit there and cancel all my fish for 2 hours to prove if lu will get a critical bite or not.

Also I might start using minnows, not sure though. Gigant squid are worth more than black sole...... but have to cancel bluetail.. hmmm.


shit minnows line break rate really is starting to look much better than sinking minnow...... I might switch to regular minnow for that reason alone. Getting triple line break is so infuriating.

Hmmm won't be able to move the gigant squid like you can the black sole....

I will have to do some test to see what the haks/hr are with minnow vs sinking.

[Yekyaa]

I can't get a critical bite on Hakuryu with Ebisu yet. I highly doubt we'll get one on Lu's, but I can test that once I have the 2 new Fisher's items.

[urat]

I can't get a critical bite on Hakuryu with Ebisu yet. I highly doubt we'll get one on Lu's, but I can test that once I have the 2 new Fisher's items.

I'm getting crit bites on haks every 4-5 bites.

[Mafai]

I know a programmer for FFACE has made a fishbot that uses an online database to track values for fish IDs, I wonder if I could convince her to hook me up with an export of her data tables, if I could, say, sort all fish from lowest to highest IDs in each category, I wonder if obvious patterns would show up. My guess is yes.

Last I heard, that DB is pretty screwed up. It wouldn't be hard to write a program to do it, the problem would be getting people to use it to collect the IDs.

Something like:

ZoneID - Rod ID - ID1 - ID2 - ID3 - ID4 - FishName - FishingSkill

I added fishing skill so we could see if skill effects the depletion / regen rate (thought to be ID4). I'm not sure how you could capture stuff like GP items.

If people would use it and actually collect data with it, I can throw it together with a web interface to show all the data.

[Sho]

When ya'll say "critical bite for hakuryu," are you guys talking about the "epic catch" message? or the message that tells you if it's a hakuryu?

Also if the latter is such, do ya'll have the fishing hole map furnishing?

[Yekyaa]

I'm getting crit bites on haks every 4-5 bites.

The message you're getting is "epic catch", however the stamina depletion does not change, so it's not a "critical" bite per se.
As stated before, I'm pretty sure it's just a random message that's specific to Legendaries or just plain fish > 100 in fishing skill.

The "critical bite" message I'm looking for is the one that identifies the fish you're reeling is as a particular fish and provides the stamina depletion boost.
If you are in fact getting a true "critical bite" message, I choose to invoke "POIDH"

[urat]

The message you're getting is "epic catch", however the stamina depletion does not change, so it's not a "critical" bite per se.
As stated before, I'm pretty sure it's just a random message that's specific to Legendaries or just plain fish > 100 in fishing skill.

The "critical bite" message I'm looking for is the one that identifies the fish you're reeling is as a particular fish and provides the stamina depletion boost.
If you are in fact getting a true "critical bite" message, I choose to invoke "POIDH"

Ah ok, sorry I generally refer to the latter as a Discernment catch, maybe we should go vise versa?

[urat]

The message you're getting is "epic catch", however the stamina depletion does not change, so it's not a "critical" bite per se.
As stated before, I'm pretty sure it's just a random message that's specific to Legendaries or just plain fish > 100 in fishing skill.

The "critical bite" message I'm looking for is the one that identifies the fish you're reeling is as a particular fish and provides the stamina depletion boost.
If you are in fact getting a true "critical bite" message, I choose to invoke "POIDH"

Ah ok, sorry I generally refer to the latter as a Discernment catch, maybe we should go vise versa?

[nitsuj]

The terminology is definitely vague, but the update notes for fishing say the one that tells you the fish's name is the "Critical Bite" and changes the stamina.

The one that gives you an epic message is presumably just "Angler's Discernment"

[Yekyaa]

The terminology is definitely vague, but the update notes for fishing say the one that tells you the fish's name is the "Critical Bite" and changes the stamina.

The one that gives you an epic message is presumably just "Angler's Discernment"

I can get behind that. On a different note, yes, I think that's how we should refer to them as.

[Kalila]

Ok I can't test this. Someone willing to bot needs to I can't sit there and cancel all my fish for 2 hours to prove if lu will get a critical bite or not.

Also I might start using minnows, not sure though. Gigant squid are worth more than black sole...... but have to cancel bluetail.. hmmm.


shit minnows line break rate really is starting to look much better than sinking minnow...... I might switch to regular minnow for that reason alone. Getting triple line break is so infuriating.

Hmmm won't be able to move the gigant squid like you can the black sole....

I will have to do some test to see what the haks/hr are with minnow vs sinking.

You'd get a bunch of cone calamari as well