Fishing

[urat]

I'm fairly certain Dragon's are cycle fish, probably only come out to play from dusk to dawn or something, I never really bothered watching but the streaks feel that way, just like lobsters.

[shaddix]

I'm fairly certain Dragon's are cycle fish, probably only come out to play from dusk to dawn or something, I never really bothered watching but the streaks feel that way, just like lobsters.

One of the characters is on hakuryu, the other is fishing istiridye in nashmau! Yet they both get long strings of "didn't catch anything" + monsters/items at the same time. And then both characters start getting bites again together.

[urat]

One of the characters is on hakuryu, the other is fishing istiridye in nashmau! Yet they both get long strings of "didn't catch anything" + monsters/items at the same time. And then both characters start getting bites again together.

Once again, it seems there are several types of fish in ffxi.

Fastwater: Primarily caught during daytime, prefer lures over live bait, low line snap rates

Shallow Water: I always noticed most amount of bites during the morning, but tbh bite rates for shallow fish (moat carps etc) were so high its hard to notice a change in bite rates from 100% to 100%

Deep Water: These are generally big fish, eels, etc. Bluetail, dragons, liks, gugrus. All of these fish have much higher bite rates from Dusk to dawn, basically during night time.

Stab in the dark says Istiridye is a deep water fish, thats why you noticed them both lose bite rates at same time, they follow the same pattern like 25% of the other fish in ffxi.

I love how fishing is the only craft that actually has its theory crafting straight up supported by the NPCs at the guild itself, I wish SE would add some kind of confirmation/denial for crafts via NPC conversations the same way fishing has.

[shaddix]

The pauses do not correspond to any particular time of day. I timed one of them.

start of no catch:
4:02:13
48% moon
iceday 7:10


end of no catch:
4:08:10
48% moon
iceday 9:26

[urat]

So you had a blank spot for 2 mins? That sounds like maybe a server thing, updating and doing a zone check or something which lagged out the threads for regulating fish. At this pint tl;dr fucked if I know, that's just weird.

[shaddix]

6 Minutes. And that was just the first one I timed. It happens a couple times per hour. And it's always synchronized with both characters.

Though oddly there are people standing around me in nashmau who seem to have no trouble fishing up anything while both my characters are getting nothing. So I really am wondering if it's based on IP address now!

[shaddix]

Switched to mercs and ahtappt and now the do not catch strings are no longer synchronized

So hakuryu and istiridye are somehow related like urat was saying. Or perhaps it is somehow lure related? I am going to test switching from sinking minnow to minnow when a string of no catch starts and see if that clears it up.

[shaddix]

Did they buff fishing skillups?

not pictured: 2 more .3s less than 5 minutes afterwards


also as to the strings of did not catch. I am starting to think fish become available or unavailable for catching based on some timer.

[Mafai]

I uploaded my last 2 days of fish logs for people to look at if they wanted to try to see how the no catch thing was happening.

I parsed for the two lines of "you didn't catch anything" and "Character caught" to hopefully make the streaks more obvious.

http://lmxvii.net/fishlogs/

I can get more logs if anyone is interested.

edit: removed special characters so they can open in browser, also the times are EST. If they start at a late hour, they started on the date of the file and obviously changed to the next day when it hit 00:00:00

edit#2: added line breaks to logs.

[shaddix]

It also needs line breaks

[Byrthnoth]

Open it in Wordpad or Notepad ++ instead of Notepad and it will have line breaks.

I will try to take a look at them later tonight.

[Mafai]

Open it in Wordpad or Notepad ++ instead of Notepad and it will have line breaks.

I will try to take a look at them later tonight.

Hmm, it shouldn't have, I parsed them out... I just reuploaded with line breaks.

[Byrthnoth]

I'm pretty sure it did, but line breaks is convenient anyway for Matlab. If you copy and paste log files into text documents, they lose line breaks in notepad but seem to retain them if you open it in Notepad++, in my experience.

Do you have the time that you got a bite before catching a hakuryu? That might be a better measure. Also, I assume 100% reel in rate?

Do you catch anything else that you've excluded?

[Mafai]

I'm pretty sure it did, but line breaks is convenient anyway for Matlab. If you copy and paste log files into text documents, they lose line breaks in notepad but seem to retain them if you open it in Notepad++, in my experience.

Do you have the time that you got a bite before catching a hakuryu? That might be a better measure. Also, I assume 100% reel in rate?

Do you catch anything else that you've excluded?

I think your thinking line breaks so that it goes to the next line, and we're talking about "Your line breaks!".

I only catch hakuryu and always reel in at 0%. Which makes me remember I forgot "lack of skill" bites.

edit: just checked log for lost catches, have none. this means no timeouts / lost due to lack of skill.

I do have the times, but idk a way to automatically keep it if its a hakuryu. i thought the log would be overwealming if i kept every bite

[shaddix]

Hah yeah that is a funny misunderstanding.

Without the fishing line breaks it appeared as though you were going 45 minutes without a hakuryu bite which would be ridiculous.

@byrth trash fish and items/monsters are also excluded if you weren't aware

[Mafai]

Hah yeah that is a funny misunderstanding.

Without the fishing line breaks it appeared as though you were going 45 minutes without a hakuryu bite which would be ridiculous.

@byrth trash fish and items/monsters are also excluded if you weren't aware

Would the logs be better just based on bites in general for this analysis? Rather then what I am actually reeling in? Breaks and losses wouldn't be relevant in that case.

I think it would be, so if you want I can just include "caught the hook" and "You didn't catch" messages.

[shaddix]

I do not know if black sole and hakuryu are on the same timer. Istiridye and hakuryu appear to be on the same one, if you can't catch istiridye you can't catch hakuryu either. So you would not want to mix the results of different fish unless you knew for sure.

I would be interested to see how often people catch a mercanbaligi, an ahtapot, and a dil(in any order) right next to each other. I would bet it isn't that often.


Note I'm still not 100% certain about the hakuryu and istiridye link, since that was only done on my own PC, I really need to find some more people to verify that. It may still end up being a lure thing for example, though I don't think so.

Hakuryu really are a bad fish to test this stuff with. We need something that bites more than 10% of the time. But who is going to waste their time on trash fish when they could be making millions? I certainly am not.

[Byrthnoth]

I wasn't aware of that. The nothing/hakuryu was so regular that I assumed Mafai had figured out how to only catch them. I'd like to see the "caught the hook" or "didn't catch" messages if possible. We know that Fish ID is determined right when it bites, right? So if we're looking for something time-related and related to "You didn't catch anything", that's the more relevant time?

It's not hard to come to the conclusion that what's happening between your two characters is related just from looking at the logs and not doing any math on them. Applying a little stat, it looks like the Hakuryu/bites are clustered between mules (Fano Factor ~=1.5 with a 30 second window size putting the two characters together, so only single casts are combined), and in general (Fano Factor ~=1.72 with a 2.5 minute window size). The next step will probably be to find out if the clusters you're seeing are periodic using autocorrelation or something.

"Moar data" is the constant cry, but in this case I think we have enough for now. I need to try and remember the class I took last semester before I go to analyze this, lol.

[shaddix]

Yeah hooking the fish is the more correct indicator. But if he was using minnows then gigant squid will also have the same caught the hook message as hakuryu.

[Byrthnoth]

That's fine. If you toss the "hook the line" and catch messages, I can pull them apart and categorize them based on what you pull up from the "hook."