Fishing

[dasva]

Doing this will just bring more and more comp to haks, take quetz and valefor for example both places packed with hak fishers. I never sell ebisu items anymore.

True but the competetion doesn't really do much to your profit. Nothing at all if you use minnows.

Though I'm almost tempted to just do lots of moat carp. When I finally got my lu shangs they were like 11k a stack. Almost 1k per fish that I can get full 200 in just a couple of hours is almost comparable with hak lol. And I do have a couple of lvl 20 mules

[Mercilessturtle]

I think it should last. I mean there are plenty of other ways to make money much faster in this game

But not while AFK. Fishing has always been terrible gil/hour, but the whole "easily botted" thing is pretty attractive.

[dasva]

Make a good cruor pt and you can get a bit better.

[Mercilessturtle]

Is this some game where we say the same thing over and over? Fishing has always been terrible gil/hour, but the whole "easily botted" thing is pretty attractive.

[dasva]

Yes but the whole reason to bot is so you can afk and make the gil. Just like you can afk leech in your cruor pt no bot required.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

Yes but

Must be that game.

[Deadgye]

Exactly how much does fishing skill matter when it comes to Liks and Gugrus? I'm about to go over 100 liks and I'm realizing that I've gone through a lot more than 100 minnows. Would it have any effect on the rod break/line break/lack of skill or would it just make them easier to reel in?

I think I spent all my luck on getting a prouesse ring.. even if it did take me ~20 hours of actual playtime killing bats and worms...

Also, it's not worth it to bother trying to get Dwarf Pugil right? I wish it was still worth it to kill Devil Mantas..

[dasva]

Hard to say it definitely effects it but it seems to do so in tiers in my experience. Like lately I've noticed a bit of a difference using waders and mog enhancement which is a rather small increase but before didn't see a whole lot of difference from when I fished them a long time ago at 80ish skill.

When I did gugrus at 78 my rod break rate was damn near 2/3 after I got 100 and full gear + mog enhancement was more like 1/3.

I'll have to reparse Lik's since I'm doing Hak's right now but they seem about the samish and my most recent session is at 73 catches and 38 lures lost so far

I actually did a bit of testing on dwarf pugil since I was trying to catch matsya. The best bite rate seemed to be in qsc near the sandy mission. Took about 20 hours to get 200. 1/3-1/4 turn in rate... you can see how this is really sucking

[nibu]

Reposting from Ebisu thread, since it might be relevant. I know you're talking about Lik, but the data might be similar to Gugru.

I have a bunch of Lu + Gugrusaurus data as well. Think I had the same thing for Lu + Lik, but doesn't look like it got backed up. Ah well.

A lot of it is in a text document and isn't pretty to look at, so I'll have to organize it later. Maybe tomorrow night.

In the meantime, I do have a very small sample of 12 boat trips that I put into an excel file, so it's all nice and organized.

Total Bites: 45
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Catch: 16 (35.6%)
Line snap: 19 (42.2%)
Rod Break: 7 (15.6%)
Lack of skill: 1 (2.2%)
Ran out of time: 2 (4.4%)

Edit: Hey! A picture! Why not!

http://imgur.com/egYkM.jpg

This was all during a full moon. This was also 2009, and was pre-moglification; just 100 fishing skill, fishing skill+ gear, and maybe advanced support if I used it. Had my brother's character logged on and on /follow to repair my rod.

Other than the "ran out of time" bites (the numbers of which will differ according to how easy of a time you have with gugrus), I think those % are roughly what you'd expect. Again, I'll parse all the other data I have at a later time and see if that's true.

Also, taking just the small sample given, that's an average of 4 gugrus per hour. At the time, gugrus were 20k a piece, so "making" 80k an hour (in the sense I didn't have to buy them) for me was worth it. Again, this is 2009, so potential to make money, and ebisu fish prices, have likely changed, and your mileage may vary.

Edit: And yeah, I understand the discouragement that goes with this. Looking at the average gugrus per hour after the fact is nice, but in the midst of fishing it can be a drag when you get boat trips with no bites, all line breaks, etc. It's nice when those are offset with all catches, though, as rare as they are!

Edit 2: If I'm feeling particularly spunky, I could include more detailed Ebisu + gugru numbers, and figure out the average haul per hour. The numbers I gave earlier would average to 8 catches an hour, or double that of using a lu shangs. I'm not sure if this is an accurate representation, or if I simply had a good day that day, so it might be worth checking.

Bigger Lu + Gugru sample

Out of 337 bites (93 boat trips):
124 catches (36.8%)
130 line snaps (38.6%)
46 rod breaks (13.6%)
17 lack of skill (5%)
20 "out of time"/couldn't drain it past 10% (6%)

So, every hour (3 boat trips), one might expect 11 bites. ON AVERAGE, of those 11 bites:
4 catches
4 line snaps
1-2 rod breaks
And maybe a bite that you can't pull in due to lack of (in-game) skill, or running out of time.

As for Ebisu + Gugru, I became less anal about record keeping. I only kept a record of catches per trip.

Out of 415 trips, I successfully caught 995 gugrusaurus.

That's ~2.4 catches per trip, or 7 catches an hour. Almost double that of lu shang.

There you have it!

Edit: Of that sample, five times I was able to catch 6 gugrusaurus in a single trip. 32 times, I didn't catch any in a single trip. C'est la pêche.

And the ex bait + Mooching is not worth it. It gives you an albatross-like ring effect that gives you more time to reel in a fish. While it does stack with the albatross ring (giving you A LOT of time to reel in a fish), the amount of time it takes to get the bait is certainly not worth the investment.

[cdgreg]

I hate to say it but it doesn't seem like a couple fishing skill levels makes much of a difference when it comes to Lik/Gug break/reel in rate when you're already at 100 skill. I used to keep track of my catch/line break (using ebisu) and started fresh whenever I added another piece of +1 skill gear.

I may be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that even with max skill and enhancements liks and gugs still naturally regen even with ebisu which puts them at level 160+.

[urat]

I hate to say it but it doesn't seem like a couple fishing skill levels makes much of a difference when it comes to Lik/Gug break/reel in rate when you're already at 100 skill. I used to keep track of my catch/line break (using ebisu) and started fresh whenever I added another piece of +1 skill gear.

I may be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that even with max skill and enhancements liks and gugs still naturally regen even with ebisu which puts them at level 160+.

Including the torque? +2 skill might just be enough to push us over the cap.

[shaddix]

I have the same break rate on haks at level 96+4+stall as I do with lv100+4+stall+signboard

[cdgreg]

Including the torque? +2 skill might just be enough to push us over the cap.

Good question I do not have the torque. Would love to see someone try!

[nibu]

Small fishing update:

The issue wherein information regarding bait for certain fish was incorrect.

Probably an NPC at the fisherman's guild was wrong information about "catching x fish with y bait in z area."

[Bagel]

I hate to ask a retarded general question, but has anything major changed in fishing over the last uh... 3 years? Are the same guides that have been up on wikia and all over the place still good or are there tons of new spots I should know about. Is finalfishing.com still accurate?

[dasva]

Yes alot has changed. Idk I still mostly use Kida's guide till 60 or so then off to nashmau forever. Money fish have changed alot. Final fishing is accurate more or less but hasn't been updated in forever

[Daiiawn]

Was there ever a decision as to how the effect from stall worked? I quit before it came out, but seem to remember something along the lines of

Stall alone gives basic mega mogli (+1(?) skill and discernment)
Having more +1 items (eg big one, net, sign board, map) adds more skill and the increased stamina depletion

So is that right? Do i basically want to be going for Stall + Sign + Big one + Net + Map?

[Daiiawn]

Oh and also @ anyone who has managed to get the fishermans torque, is it dboxable to mules?

[Talila]

Hmm I haven't checked, I'll do that once I get home tonight. My initial guess is no because it is craft specific, but who knows.

[Julian]

So like about a week ago, I was bored and fished like 20 gugrus, and decided to turn them in on my mule for the heck of it. Went 1/8. Then realized after that gugrus were selling like hotcakes at 30k each, and thought, fuck, I shoulda just sold. Oh well, Liks are easy, might as well finish this thing.

One week later, I'm somewhere around 0/400~0/500 on this piece of shit, and I am really wishing that I had just sold those gugrus. :< qfuckingq