Fishing

[Pandorrra]

Just going to do hakuryus from now on...

Every time the broth sold out completely and I had mine on there from 140-160k a stack, people would buy mine and then other people would just sell theirs when they restocked back at 120.

Dumb people are dumb.

I still fail to see how people don't understand the concept of supply and demand.

Edit: Also catching bluetail for Fish Oil Broth. Some extra income on the side.

[cdgreg]

I'm back to Haks on my main fishing mule as well, it's nice knowing every time I reel one in it's 10k with no additional hassle other than clicking sell at NPC.

[Mafai]

I'm back to Haks on my main fishing mule as well, it's nice knowing every time I reel one in it's 10k with no additional hassle other than clicking sell at NPC.

Its tough to decide, I usually get 90ish Hakuryu a day per character. But I can easily get the same number of Abaia in a day which sell for 3-4x more then Hakuryu. As long as your bazaar sells out in 3-4 days, its technically the same amount. The trade off would be risk (if you fishbot). One day of fishing and then bazaaring vs 3 days of fishing.

[cdgreg]

Its tough to decide, I usually get 90ish Hakuryu a day per character. But I can easily get the same number of Abaia in a day which sell for 3-4x more then Hakuryu. As long as your bazaar sells out in 3-4 days, its technically the same amount. The trade off would be risk (if you fishbot). One day of fishing and then bazaaring vs 3 days of fishing.

Answered you in-game, but all depends how hardcore you want to be. Very well could setup an Abaia bazaaring mule that you put 80+ abaia on at a time, then once you drop below 20 you fill it back up. Bazaar that mule while not fishing and catch haks in the meantime. I tend to use Ridd for more than just fishing so I dont like his inventory slaughtered, but I know a couple of your mules are fishing only, so its not a bad idea.

[Stanislaus]

Haks are great overnite/afk, but during day why not go for fish that still takes a minimal amount of effort (ferry transfers, sneak, or synth/synergy) and yield 3-8x more?

Plus, it's nice to have at least a little honest income on your books in case someone you call a complete idiot for saying "being in AoE range helps me stun" or "haste please my JA timers are all too long" (same person) won't have as much of a reason to investigate and GM your Beaucedine excursions over any other random out-of-the-way fishing locale.

Oh, and in response to Pandorrra, is the act of undercutting not a product of supply and demand? In their eyes, their supply is so saturated they can afford to lose some percent of the profit to be a larger percent of overall sales.

My problem is with the 'in their eyes' part. A one-time lister still undercuts just so he can lock in that price rather than take their time and get sold when the other high-volume skillful undercutters are asleep or otherwise not relisting.

[dasva]

Its tough to decide, I usually get 90ish Hakuryu a day per character. But I can easily get the same number of Abaia in a day which sell for 3-4x more then Hakuryu. As long as your bazaar sells out in 3-4 days, its technically the same amount. The trade off would be risk (if you fishbot). One day of fishing and then bazaaring vs 3 days of fishing.

Really? Everyone here has reported a decently slower bite rate than Hakuryu. Some much much slower. Like about half as much

[Stanislaus]

Abaia's bite rate is within the range I'd expect for large high level fish, it's their way higher break rate that slows them down compared to Haks.

Of course, as I type this, I'm dropping Minnows to make room for Abaia for the third time.

[cdgreg]

Really? Everyone here has reported a decently slower bite rate than Hakuryu. Some much much slower. Like about half as much

He's talking in an 8 hour period, not 24. Bite rate on haks has seemed just fine to me.

[dasva]

He's talking in an 8 hour period, not 24. Bite rate on haks has seemed just fine to me.

It doesn't matter what period he is talking he said he could get the same amount of Abaia in a day as Hakuryu and because they sell for 3-4 times more makes them so much better. Which I call BS on unless his Hak "day" was 8 hours and his Abaia "day" was more like 12+

[cdgreg]

It doesn't matter what period he is talking he said he could get the same amount of Abaia in a day as Hakuryu and because they sell for 3-4 times more makes them so much better. Which I call BS on unless his Hak "day" was 8 hours and his Abaia "day" was more like 12+

Ah shit, I misread, I read it as "Everyone here has reported a decently slower bite rate (on) Hakuryu" As in, THEY CHANGED RIDILL DROP RATE SINCE PATCH lol.

I average 7ish Haks per hour with NQ minnows, I didn't run the numbers per hour on abaia, but its probably 4ish? I get his overall argument though, he can fish half as much (risk being caught botting half as much) but spend the other time bazaaring/selling for the same amount of revenue. I'm getting wordy here, but in other words same time investment, same gil revenue, less chance of being banned.

[dasva]

I'm at 10-11 per hour with minnow 13ish with sinking. 7ish on abaia though much much lower sample size there lol. And yeah depends the prices keep fluxuating wildly and then stuff not sellling is argh

[Pandorrra]

A one-time lister still undercuts just so he can lock in that price rather than take their time and get sold when the other high-volume skillful undercutters are asleep or otherwise not relisting.

I suppose that is true, but most of the people on my server are just outright keeping it at 120k~ per stack, and they aren't one time sellers.

I'll just NPC haks and be on my way, as not to have to deal with them haha

[Neoex]

I have 2 Ebisu, and the server that you can barely be 30' from the next fisher in Glacier pulls up between 115-145 Haks a day, the one on the server that has tons of room/space pulls up 140-190 Haks a day (24 hour periods)

[dasva]

You can pull up more than that. I've done 200 with regular minnow before. Though it's been awhile since I've been able to have myself fishing anytime I'm not off getting more bait lol. Generally speaking I pull 60-90 a night. The main reason for the range is sometimes those nights are only like 5-6 hours long instead of the full 8. I'd be wondering wtf was going on if I only got 140 in a full 24 period

[urat]

My only issue, and reason I do abais, is I never got the passcode thingy so I have 80 inventory less than most players. This makes it much harder to catch more than 40~50 fish a trip, versus people who can hold like 150+ fish on one character. This results in abais being better for money simply because my 1 abaia inventory slot is worth almost triple your hakuryu's inventory slot.

If I had more room in my inventory I'd probably be fishing up hakus too. It's the one major down side to having 70/80 of your safe being furniture. So I've started leveling my alt Whm's fishing, currently at 20 as of last night, and hope to get it an ebisu asap. The whm mule has shit tonnes of inventory to spare so I can just fish hakuryu's on that right next to my main, and then just transfer them over every 20 or so to keep my main's inventory open.

Until then, Abai's sell almost instantly for me and I'm selling for 30K or so each, so it's pretty solid money. Also the fact that recall:jugner ring puts me so close to the water, vs having to bullshit around with OP warps and running all the way across beaucidine, I am enjoying abaias.

[dasva]

Every try some spring cleaning? Everytime I get close to just not being able to completely empty my inventory I clean shit out. And hell that's with 8 fully geared jobs and lots of useless crap that I can't seem to get rid of. Actually my storage is pretty much nothing but useless crap or old ZNM pops lol. I mean mathematically speaking 80 more invent spaces wont take you from 40-50 to 150 lol. I mean if I really really cracked down I could probably get myself to go out with enough bait and litterally fish all day and reach fatigue before running out of space. But hell if I'm going to give up my extra omega body parts! Also not sure but I think you can still get tokens?

[Stanislaus]

Just noticed that it takes a good 1.5-2 hours to synergize a 70 lure haul of Abaia... That and the fact that my server has among if not the lowest price on Lucky Broth, and they're starting to lose their charm. All that muling and AH business gets old too. Bazaaring Abaia is a no-go because I don't have an alt...

thinking out loud, no point! made you look!

[nitsuj]

I wish I could catch 80-90 haku per day...

[Taint]

My LSmate has 5 Ebisu's and is farming the crap out of Abaia. He puts in a ton of time fishing them, crafting them and selling them.

Personally I'm going the Haku route after watching how much effort and time he puts in.

[Haborym]

The Haku route is the right route. What is better then fishing all night and walking to a npc for free gil? You don't have to mule or AH anything, you don't have to wait for anything to sell, all you do it watch your gil stack. Sure you make less then fishing Lik/Gugs, and Abaia, but lets face it, nobody wants more Ebisu's on your server because then minnows become less common, and when you find them prices are high and Abaia is to much work to eb worth while. Bite/catch rate sucks, and after all that you still need to go through the process of muling/AHing/crafting them.