Fishing

[Buffy]

What would you folks consider a fair price for a guaranteed Shaper's Shawl? It is someone I trust not to lie about not getting the Shawl and then selling the fish on a mule.

I'm personally convinced the drop rate is 1%.

So 100 fish x whatever rate per fish.

I would do it for someone for 50m.

[sluggo]

10-50mil. Some people will guarantee an ebisu for 10mil. All depends on how its been trending on your server. I probably wouldn't guarantee one for less than 30mil.

[cdgreg]

Thanks for the input. Ended up with a tiered system:
5m if within the first 0-10 fish
15m if within the first 11-50 fish
25m for 51+ fish

We'll see how it goes!

[dasva]

Lol I was actually thinking of a tiered system. He gets a more specific amount and neither of you gets overly screwed by it going really high or low... well unless it's like 200 then you'll be wondering why you spent a 2 months fishing for 25mil lol

[Damane]

Thanks for the input. Ended up with a tiered system:
5m if within the first 0-10 fish
15m if within the first 11-50 fish
25m for 51+ fish

We'll see how it goes!

the average of all the shaper shall people that got it is around 1 shapers per 100 fish. I know people that went 1/8 and I know people that went 1/250+ or so. 1% drop rate does sound correctly. so in that case you should ask for 40M - 50M considering your server prices of matsya

[Kyreth]

Thanks for the input. Ended up with a tiered system:
5m if within the first 0-10 fish
15m if within the first 11-50 fish
25m for 51+ fish

We'll see how it goes!

Frankly, with RNG being RNG, that's the best way to do it. The fish for the turnin go for around 450-500K each on Ragnarok, so 10 fish ~ 5mil in sales, 30 fish ~ 15 mil, 50 fish ~ 25 mil. If you're really getting reamed on the RNG, you'll come out ahead. If you get lucky on a shawl early, he'll make some extra cash but you're both happy.

[dasva]

Of course while the fish might sell for that low the opportunity cost is a bit higher

[cdgreg]

the average of all the shaper shall people that got it is around 1 shapers per 100 fish. I know people that went 1/8 and I know people that went 1/250+ or so. 1% drop rate does sound correctly. so in that case you should ask for 40M - 50M considering your server prices of matsya

There were 57 matsya available at that moment @ 250k.

Other factors I took into account: Player has already bought 7-10 mil worth of matysa from me, I think he's around 0/47. Getting minnows is also such a nightmare on Odin that I spend some nights not fishing at all gathering bait. So I am actually looking forward to making an assload of meatballs and then having a dedicated fishing task for one of my characters. We'll see how it works out!

[sluggo]

That's not me selling at 295 btw >>;;

I did have an idea the other night that i might give a try. It would involve a mule though. If I strike it rich... i"ll let everyone know... after i've made a few bil.


my fear would be that: someone gets cape on fish 60 - but continues to collect fish under the premise that the cape has not been obtained. Then they collect x more amount of fish and sell on a mule for a gain even after paying for the cape. Player gets the shawl, gains a profit and the fisher loses out on a lot of potential gil.

I suppose the solution to this would be to introduce more tiers, but at what point does one just say fuck it and one off the fish vs. developing 30 tiers of sales architecture? I guess this would depend on the independent fisher. Another solution is a cap at which the customer would be cut off and forced to go through the tiers again, even as depressing that sounds from a customer standpoint. Just some thoughts.

[Omnipotent]

170 Cave Cherax, 22 pugils...... I had a 20 fish streak of no pugils, this 25% is such bull shit

[cdgreg]

my fear would be that: someone gets cape on fish 60 - but continues to collect fish under the premise that the cape has not been obtained. Then they collect x more amount of fish and sell on a mule for a gain even after paying for the cape. Player gets the shawl, gains a profit and the fisher loses out on a lot of potential gil.

This is a huge fear of mine and why I would only do matsya deal for a friend. As for Lik/Gugs I normally have 150-200 fish at a time so not as easily to hoard fish while I'm standing there trading them lol.

[sluggo]

Yea, the 4 people I have fished for have paid per fish. Since the price more than halved I've cut down on fishing them a lot. Blame supply or just dumb ppl for the price but a tiered solution could add some reward to the low market. I know it's applied and works successfully in other industries so why not ff?

[dasva]

170 Cave Cherax, 22 pugils...... I had a 20 fish streak of no pugils, this 25% is such bull shit

Streaks always happen... I think mine is more like 25-33 but that's over the course of alot as streaks mess things up

[fattrav]

Does anyone have catch rate data for using minnows and sinking minnows on haks? Looking for catches and bait used data.

Thanks in advance.

[Buffy]

Does anyone have catch rate data for using minnows and sinking minnows on haks? Looking for catches and bait used data.

Thanks in advance.

It's in this thread, look for some posts from Dasva.

[dasva]

Sadly my regular minnow data is still a work in progress. Catching up now a bit since sinkers so hard to get lol. But yeah still working on it

[fattrav]

I looked through the thread and found no data on catch rate with sinking minnows or minnows. I found a post of ~9 per hour, but that is not catch rate.

I am trying to calculate the most profitable way to fish haks. Over roughly 100,000 sardine balls, for every 100 bait consumed I would catch 8 haks(7.93).

I am missing the amount of tackle used and the amount of haks caught with it. I'll be doing my own tests over the next month. Although that will be a small sample size I hope to at least be pointed in the right direction.

[Michelob]

I looked through the thread and found no data on catch rate with sinking minnows or minnows. I found a post of ~9 per hour, but that is not catch rate.

I am trying to calculate the most profitable way to fish haks. Over roughly 100,000 sardine balls, for every 100 bait used I would catch 7 haks(6.93).

I am missing the amount of tackle used and the amount of haks caught with it. I'll be doing my own tests over the next month. Although that will be a small sample size I hope to at least be pointed in the right direction.

The most profitable way to catch Haks isn't necessarily the most Haks per gil spent. The time it takes to catch the Haks is just as, if not more, important. If it turns out to be cheaper in gil/bait used to catch Haks sardine balls (for example) but you don't cap out on Haks per day then it wasn't more profitable. You also really need to take into consideration the amount of time in which it takes to procure the bait as well.

That being said, in my experience you catch the most Haks in the shortest amount of time using sinking minnows. They are my first choice, minnows a close second though. I've used other baits like slices of bluetail if minnows are hard to come by.... I think I normally get around 10-15 Haks per stack of bluetail if I recall correctly but it's been a while.

[Kyreth]

Sadly my regular minnow data is still a work in progress. Catching up now a bit since sinkers so hard to get lol. But yeah still working on it

You'd think a friendly alchemist could pull sinking minnows off easily. At least 51+ skill over cap if you've got 101 Alchemy + 52 GS if you're doing the copper version.

[cdgreg]

You also really need to take into consideration the amount of time in which it takes to procure the bait as well.

This really is the key, additionally, the profit margin based on what the bait costs you. If you are making your own minnows at 5k each and you break 33% of the time that takes a major chunk out of your profits.