Fishing

[dasva]

I see. Well last night's haul gave me 80 haks off 1200 sardine balls. Is that on the low end? Only thing missing is Waders. Either way, if it's a little bit worse than minnows, it saves the headache of trying to find any. Will definitely stick to this for a while.

Will catch/toss items tonight see what difference it makes.

I barely even try looking now. Just get on if there is some nice if not pick some up I made on my main. Still wondering if it's worthwhile to make my own ingots and fiber though. But since doing this often leaves my mains invent kinda full it's not like it's gunna be doing hak fishing so guess it don't matter lol

[Corkadile]

I pay nearly nothing for Sardine Balls. I catch my own sardines on a mule (I find lower skill to catch them significantly faster for whatever reason), get crystals (I'm a cheapskate and get some from Sky, but that's me), and then everything else is near-free from NPCs.

I said 12-15 stacks for a reason, I find it varies pretty wildly. At the rate you were going, you were looking at around 15 stacks, which falls into the range I said. I had a post some pages back on my rate over a few days and mathed it out to 1 hak per 11.5 sardine balls used. Obviously not enough data to be a solid conclusion, but like I said, it varies. Sometimes I'm getting 1:10, sometimes I'm getting 1:15 and it lasts the whole night.

Personally I try to have 20 stacks on me when I go out there, because I'd rather have too much bait than not enough, and it still takes significantly less space than minnows do. It's also pointless to even try for minnows on Asura from NPCs anymore, they're 24/7 camped as far as I can tell. I'm quick and can usually snatch up a couple before they sell out, but it's not worth my time.

[dasva]

You know with the update increasing bait stack from 12 to 99 they should make lures stackable to 12. Also I find if you really hard up to buy stuff mhaura/selbina boat the best. Just ignore most the runs then when it's a pirate run go in like mad since it should be pretty well stocked that day.

Also while farming your own materials costs no gil out of pocket that's not necessarily better financially especially as just an intermediate to making more money if you could have been doing something else to make it faster then what you saved farming

[Corkadile]

Tried that. Still pretty badly camped, and relies a lot on luck. The time you spend sitting on/waiting for the boat can also be considered lost potential profits. Fishing up a big pile of sardines while I'm crafting bait isn't exactly hard for me to manage, I get them almost as fast as I can craft them, so I just do ~12 stacks of sardines at a time and catch that many while I do it. While it's easy to argue my going out and getting my own crystals, you're still spending plenty of crystals making minnows if you go that route, and even buying them I end up spending significantly less than purchasing minnows.

[Ghost_Wheel22]

It all comes down to time:gil ratio. By keeping track of how long it takes you to camp boats for lures or farming/crafting bait to have enough for 100 or 200 haks you can determine which is better suited for your server/playtime. And if you can mitigate by having a mule farm/fish/craft while you do other money making things on your main then all the better.

[dasva]

Oh yeah that's why i mostly just check now while my main is crafting. If there is something awesome. If not get more crafted ones that I'm making or made while they were fishing since I have to ah camp alot now lol.

Hmmm let's see according to small amount of numbers out there it looks like 307 gil spent per hak caught now counting the sardines themselve of course. While assuming max price minnows of around 1700 it would be about it's about 850. Which sounds like a huge difference until you realize that that is only like 5.5% loss per sale. So would really come down to time spent fishing up fish and crafting/gather ingredients vs riding boats with possibly the difference in time it would take to fish up as many. So looks like I got another project once I get a better sample size of minnows lol.

As far as crafting goes excluding mask price since I fish it up the cost per synth (including intermediate synths) would be about 770ish so about same gil spent per fish gotten as sardines. Of course some of those HQ which I just end up selling for 10k+ for fun lol. Uggg more projects for me to do lol. Need to figure out how long each stage of all these take as well as perhaps travel times and catch times. Wonder if it's even good to be selling the sinkers for that price. Uggg feeling overwhelmed now. Even more so since it will depend highly on what crafts you have what lvl for success/hq rates uggg.

Though the invent issues intrigue me greatly

[Corkadile]

You fish up masks and end up spending more time actually synthing than I do and then point out that my getting my own fish is a loss of potential profits? I think you might need to break down your process a little farther before you think about "projects" any.

[dasva]

Well you also fish up fish ^^. Also since I had no data on time taken to fish up fish or masks I couldn't really use that yet. And yes I spend more crafting time. You also spend more time gathering the non fished stuff. As far as points I made that was just a general "free" isn't really free opportunitey cost speech. And yes I believe I said I needed to break down all the times alot more even listing some in specific but thanks for repeating it

[Corkadile]

"I do the same thing you do but I'm going to call you out on doing it and imply it's wrong" is not really the best way to prove a point. I've broken this all down pretty far and for my time and effort for my server that is involved, I have found my method to work quite well, as well as taking up less space and being easier to mass-produce so I don't have to actually craft every single day if I don't want to. Even breaking down the costs of the sardines, on my server it's still a cheaper option then making minnows, much less buying them.

[dasva]

That's not at all what I was saying. I was just doing some quick math to show them being comparable in cost to make excluding the fished up ingredients and further went on to say I need to do more especially with times. Actually out of pocket cost per synth ends up being about twice as much for minnow from the quick math over what little data I have recorded. But you end up catching about twice as many haks per minnow as 12 bait from your numbers so ends up being about same cost per fish caught in pure gil out of pocket us both fishing up 1 ingredient and npc/ah the rest. But beleive what you want I'll continue to compile and record my data. Actually doing it right now

[noodles355]

To follow up, today I fished up items and dropped them as well (well, I didn't drop them because I forgot to set up my drop list lol) but in about 850-900 bait I caught 90 haks give or take. So a much better haul.

As far as cost, A stack of earth clusters costs about 75-80k. Sardines you fish up for free. If you catch 100, you'll spend about 6-7k on flour/water and make about 1100 bait. Still leaves you 110 fish on your daily limit (do items count towards the fatigue cap?).

So yeah, I think it's looking like 80-85k cost for bait for 100ish haks.

Fishing I leveled to 31 in one day and cost me about 200-300k I guess.

Edit: Can't get it to auto-drop arrowwood logs and rusty subligars though. I made a fish list telling it just to catch those and haks, hoping it would drop the items but it's not... hmm...

[noodles355]

Well you also fish up fish ^^. Also since I had no data on time taken to fish up fish or masks I couldn't really use that yet. And yes I spend more crafting time. You also spend more time gathering the non fished stuff.

For the record, catching 100~ sardines only takes a few hours. Yesterday I started up at 6pm before going out, I'd hit my 100 catch limit when I got home at 10pm. The only other ingredients are flour and water which you can get from the NPC. Crafting up 10-12 stacks takes around an hour I'd guess? Wasn't really paying attention.

[dasva]

Items count for half if you reel them in. Also yeah I've been having trouble getting it to drop items myself kinda lame. Wait you saying you got 100 fish in 4 hours or just hit the limit from that + items? Because if it's 100 fish holy fuck I'm switching now lol. If items + fish how many fish in that time

Yeah I'm working on timing now. Mostly doing copper since my current supply of glass is rediculous. Also I got crafting down to 22.8 seconds per synth and rather small sample on ingot returns

Also holy fuck on the cluster prices. It's like 3k a cluster here.

[noodles355]

Sabiki Rig in Port Windy, set limit at 100 catches, went out 6pm, came back between 10-10:30 I think and had caught 100/100.

Either way, today's haul, after dopping items and starting up again (had a stack and a bit of bai left) I averaged under 1:10 hak:bait ratio, which is nice because without dropping items I was over that by a bit, maybe 1:12 as opposed to 1:8-1:9. Didn't write down today's figures but got over 100 with 1000 bait.

[Corkadile]

I do it in Port Bastok, but I specifically do it with a mule that is capped at 10 fishing skill. Fishing side-by-side with a character with 110 skill, I find that the low-skill character catches them significantly faster. In the time it took me to craft 20 stacks of fish I'd caught about 16 stacks on the mule.

[dasva]

Oh I was totally misreading that was thinking you said you got another 100 haks after getting bait in that time lol. What about hak fishing time?

[vagus]

22 Minnows, 45 Haks. Megafishing, HQ gloves, HQ Legs, Apron. Just missing waders.

[Neoex]

To follow up, today I fished up items and dropped them as well (well, I didn't drop them because I forgot to set up my drop list lol) but in about 850-900 bait I caught 90 haks give or take. So a much better haul.

What about time, how long did it take to haul in the 90 haks?

[Prothescar]

I get around 1:10~1:12 Haks:Balls and go out with 1200 or so balls a night and catching/dropping items, I'm only 100 Fishing with AH gear, Puffin/Noddy, and stall. My inventory is limited, can only catch 102 Haks a night, but I generally cap out with a fair amount of bait to spare. Costs me much, much less to make the balls than it did for me to make minnows, and I just have my mule fish up 300~400 sardines which gives me enough bait for a week or so worth of fishing. Time investment and effort to make the balls is really what keeps me to using them compared to minnows, I don't have to try to make heaps of sardine balls and I don't have to camp against dozens of people who are trying to grab minnows. My mule can fish the sardines and synth the balls np, or I can divide the synths between both characters to half the time it takes to make them all if I'm just watching Netflix or something. COmpared to buying the materials for insane prices and cutting into my nightly profits or going to farm the fiber and make the ingots myself, it's a no brainer for me.

Once I have sufficient data to declare a reasonably exact value on bite rate I'll be sure to post it, so far 1:10~1:12 with my current skill is about right.

[noodles355]

What about time, how long did it take to haul in the 90 haks?

Didn't write down.
I'll record it next time.