Fishing

[Taint]

At this point, with four posts from someone with a two-month old account tends to get people a little less trusting, no offense. Especially without sources or pics.

Considering Sevvy's experience with GMs and SE I believe him. New account but very long time player.

[Kyreth]

Considering Sevvy's experience with GMs and SE I believe him. New account but very long time player.

*nods* Wasn't disputing that, it's just natural reactions around here to see someone with a low post count and recent join date and think "noob" until proven otherwise. He does, indeed seem to be a savvy Sevvy.

[D44kpunk]

they are cracking down on all fish botting not just EU.

good luck fishers, good chance it's only a short term thing. but something tells me that it isn't (and personally i hope it isn't) people shouldn't be able to sit in bcd glacier fishing 24/7 with no repercussions. if you wanna bot, bot like the rest of us, in moderation.

[Kohan]

I'm not trying to say that either of you are wrong, but it is certainly not as cut and dry as you claim it to be.

I understand that you feel this may be the case, but what I'm telling you is not a matter of opinion. It's not that I'm theorizing, it's that I'm telling you how it is.

Some of what the other person who wanted everyone to "just believe them" said was wrong, as it obviously suffered from a game of telephone, but it demonstrated enough knowledge of their procedures to show that they've talked to someone in SE at some point. Additionally, nothing I have told you was incorrect. From the prompt that appears on-screen with the GMtell command to the separate regional GMs, everything I've told you is actually how it's run.

I have no desire to publicize my personal connections in the industry, but to give you an idea, I know the people whose names are on that GM manual as the authors. They're all professional contacts of mine. So, yes, that's how things are run there.

[Tsuki]

I understand that you feel this may be the case, but what I'm telling you is not a matter of opinion. It's not that I'm theorizing, it's that I'm telling you how it is.

No.

I'm not going to entertain any of your ideas simply because I believe whatever you think you may know is highly outdated and not relevant anymore. You've provided nothing to back up what you've stated.

You boldly insist that GM's are regional only. But you still haven't explained that if this is true, how is it possible GM Drakenyte banned 4 brits and 1 NA account as of late, and explain how he's had dealings with other members of the NA population.

I get that you think, possibly because you dl'd the GM handbook from 5 years ago, you had a good idea of how things used to be run, but they are not run in the same way now.

I'm not taking your word on anything, you're just as creditless as sevvy's post because your making bold statements without any backup, at least sevvy admits he doesn't have anything to go on other than personal experience.

[dejet]

Lol I could care less what you know all that matters is if you could show proof... and for years there has never been any proof yet people continue to say I saw this but never screenshot, or I know someone

this popup window is like fucking Bigfoot

[Tsuki]

I do believe the popup thing but I'm really unsure if they would use that as a tool to nab botters because as I've stated before, even for someone fishing legit, I know myself I'd have a high chance to mess that one up simply because I mash buttons on hard fish...

[Kohan]

No.

Actually, yes. It's all right, though. I don't mind if you would rather not accept knowledge from someone who actually has it and choose to theorize instead. What I'm telling you isn't wrong, isn't out of date, and is how things are done. If you would like to theorize instead, that's your choice.

I had thought that the community would enjoy some concrete information, especially here, and I'm honestly a bit disappointed in the reaction. It leads me to believe that these things aren't "mysteries" because they're actually mysterious, but because no one has believed anyone who can tell them better.

[Tsuki]

I had thought that the community would enjoy some concrete information

That's just it, none of what you said is "concrete information". And you still refuse to address the facts that we have uncovered which directly contradict what you're saying.

[Kohan]

That's just it, none of what you said is "concrete information". And you still refuse to address the facts that we have uncovered which directly contradict what you're saying.

Nothing that you've said contradicts anything. The GM departments can work together, but there are separate GMs for every region. I understand that you don't want to believe this, but if you can actually enter a conversation with a GM and ask them, they will verify this for you. Of course, I can tell you the same thing, but you're already certain my word isn't trustworthy, so I have nothing else to offer you in that regard. (If you'd like to lay out anything that you believe is contradictory, feel free; I can explain everything related to it for you.)

I could tell you everything about how they operate. I can tell you how they communicate between regions. I can tell you how they're hired for their jobs and who they're hired by. In fact, I know the people responsible for hiring and training. I can even tell you what their offices look like on the inside. Despite that, you don't want to believe me, and that's all right. It's your loss, as I thought you would appreciate some clarification, but it's all right.

This isn't the first time I've posted on this topic, by the way—I've commented on various procedures related to Square Enix throughout my history on BlueGartr. You could confirm the accuracy of all of it with any GM that isn't too greenhorn to talk about non-sensitive company matters.

[Byrthnoth]

I will admit that I am part of the GM hivemind. If you want to know what GM is thinking, just ask me.

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[blackmail]

You don't need a screenshot.

http://www.thetomas.net/images/ffxi/...pport_edit.pdf

Page 55, GMtell command.

Also, yes, every region is handled by region-specific GMs.

That document is dated 2006.

[dasva]

I will admit that I am part of the GM hivemind. If you want to know what GM is thinking, just ask me.

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What are GMs thinking right now!?!

[Kohan]

That document is dated 2006.

It is, but the commands are the same.

I suppose I could provide screenshots of my LinkedIn contacts and one of the Square Enix business cards on my person layered over BG, if anyone would like that.

To reiterate, though, I've offered this sort of information to the community on a variety of occasions. It isn't special, but there is an obvious mystique built up around it nonetheless. At the end of the day, however, the NA GM department—to provide an example—is simply a room in a building in El Segundo, California, where people go to work every day, just like virtually every other workplace on the planet. This isn't top secret knowledge. It's business.

[dejet]

Kohan I do not think anyone is saying they are mad for the info. People are fine with it for the most part, its just that there really is no solid proof of this event for something that seems so easy for GM's to do. All we have are people saying its real, really that is it. I know it must be frustrating because of how hard you are fighting for it(and really I kinda do trust you) but you also have to understand the other side.

Think of it from the outside, we have people saying it, but no real proof, no SS, fraps. Nothing; only words, and you know how trustworthy words can be on the internet. there are long time fishers(like myself going on 8 years) that have never seen this box once, we have dealt with GM tells and that is it.

[Byrthnoth]

What are GMs thinking right now!?!

Reply hazy ask again.

[Kohan]

Kohan I do not think anyone is saying they are mad for the info. People are fine with it for the most part, its just that there really is no solid proof of this event for something that seems so easy for GM's to do. All we have are people saying its real, really that is it. I know it must be frustrating because of how hard you are fighting for it(and really I kinda do trust you) but you also have to understand the other side.

Think of it from the outside, we have people saying it, but no real proof, no SS, fraps. Nothing; only words, and you know how trustworthy words can be on the internet. there are long time fishers(like myself going on 8 years) that have never seen this box once, we have dealt with GM tells and that is it.

I understand that you haven't, and honestly, I'm not at all upset. Whenever I'm discussing the video game industry at large on BG, I tend to be serious about it, as it's my home. It's where I've worked for years, and it's where I plan to be for the rest of my professional life. I also volunteered to be a moderator on BG because I love video game communities, and FFXI is my favorite MMO, and always has been. This is also why I began providing the FFXI patch files. I don't gain anything else from it other than the satisfaction of being a contributing member of the community. I already have professional experience that eclipses anything any of this could provide me with on a resume (and it would actually be relevant on such a thing, were I entry-level).

Let's talk about the GMtell command some more. I assume that whatever you may or may not have used would be able to respond accordingly whenever you received a tell. Correct? As such, your character ceased fishing and/or sent a tell in response. It may have also alerted you to the situation, and you may have responded in person. Your character may have also either moved away from the fishing area by your guidance or automatically. Everything I've said is potentially applicable thus far, correct?

EDIT: Oh, and someone else did post a screenshot of this on BG previously. It's as follows:

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/8554/dirtygms.jpg

That's the GMtell command in action.

[dasva]

Ok so let's say there is a command to make a prompt box. Doesn't seem like that big of a stretch given the guide. The question is is it being used, currently and for this purpose?

As far as having potential used some sort of automated program and such... I know there are ones that alert and some that can do simple things like stop, log out, flip directions or even have voicemall tells but not sure I've seen one that could ya know actually properly respond or do required emotes or answer questions and such. Hence why I caution you should always be in the vicinity to answer GM calls.

[Kohan]

Ok so let's say there is a command to make a prompt box. Doesn't seem like that big of a stretch given the guide. The question is is it being used, currently and for this purpose?

By now, you've probably already seen the screenshot I posted. It's obviously not very current, given the WHM's gear, but that's the GMtell command being used and displaying the related prompt to the player.

As for the entire process (in relation to fishing bots), after the GM has sent /tells and has not received a response, they may choose to use the GMtell command on the player. Their reasoning is thus: if the person continues fishing after it appears on their screen, they are deliberately ignoring the prompt, and must therefore be botting. On a similar note, if the person chooses the wrong answer up to three times in a row, they are also labeled a botter. After all, any actual human would probably be interested in this new little on-screen box, and if they truly read the primary language of their game's registered region (which RMTs in particular may not), they would be able to understand it and react appropriately.

It's not even a three strikes system, but more like a four to five strikes system. If the GM gives the fisher that many opportunities and they never respond appropriately or at all, they're off to Mordion Gaol. So, yes, it is a tool that they can currently use, it's never been removed from the game, and that's what it would look like if they used it on you.

[dasva]

Ah that might be part of it. I've always responded so that may be why I've never seen it when dealing with GMs maybe?

Also I wasn't asking if it could be currently used as much as is it being currently used.