Fishing

[Yeager]

Haven't fished in many months, is it still possible to tell almost immediately what you've hooked based on the behavior?

Yes, it's still pretty easy to tell. When I fished yesterday on the Selbina/Mhaura ferry, distinguishing between Titanictus and Ryugu Titan was pretty simple. And on the boat from Mhaura/Whitegate it was the same for Gugrusaurus.

[geno3302]

Edit: Nevermind!

[errantfish]

Ok, I'm going to post a more detailed impressions of the new system after I try the other fish I've been leveling on but short answer is haks are still there as I've gotten a couple bites(but no catches), but I think they're actually harder to catch. I'm only 93 at the moment so this may be SE's way of making fishing skill more important. For me, haks seem to have a much higher regen than before.

yeah, it's the skill. I tried with capped skill, moglification, and all gear, and it's definitely easier than it used to be. I never even got the time warning message. Line snaps are the same though.

[vagus]

So easier to fish?

[dasva]

Looks like it. Been doing some low level stuff for RoE and it's almost instant... though I have noticed my soft fatigue increasing really fast doing that

[Minipilen]

Hey everyone

I recently got 110 fishing skill and currently working on getting GPs for all of the items. Currently fishing Hakus with Ebisu and I have Puffin, Noddy Ring and crafted fishing gear. That is 110+4 in skill. Now my question is, do the other skill+ gear make much of a difference? Waders give an extra point, necklace gives +2 and mogenhancement gives +1 which in total is 110+8. Perhaps I've missed something.

The reason I'm asking is because I get a lot of missed catches because of skill and a lot of breaks. Right now I can pull up around 5-6 hakus per hour which is pretty low considering I read that someone pulled up 10 per hour.

Does all the extra skill and enhancement increase catch rate that much? What should I aim for first, skillup or increase catch gear?

[dasva]

Megamog should give 5 if it follows the other crafts. So potentially without crafting support should be max 110+12. If you search for parses in this thread you can find some decent data on the some biterate differences based on skill. However things are different now so who knows. Might do new parses eventually. I don't think I ever got loss of skill before even at 100 but definitely plenty of breaks you can compare rates with my old ones though keep in mind that over short term (and by that I mean entire days) I had some that were way far from the average.

I think I posted actually catches per time over a long run ago when calculating cost/benefit of catching with minnows vs balls when you had to craft but that might take a bit longer to find. As far as amount per hour is that a long average or short term? Like I've litterally gone 4 hours without a single Hak bite let alone catch but still managed to catch 200 that day lol. That said new system is different so timing and waits and such might change things

It does some again check the parses for amounts. Not really sure about your last question since you are already capped....

[Minipilen]

Hmm what is Megamog exactly? Fishing Hole Map? Ok i'll look up and see if I can find some parces . I also don't really remember getting lack of skill until the recent update, perhaps something has changed. Well my last question is regarding what GP items I should focus on first, for instance wadders which gives skill or apron to increase catch rate. I'd like anything that enhances my catch rate.

I've made some longer calculations now and after 3hs of fishing I got 25 fishes which is about 8fishes per hour so you're right about fishes per hour is a too low interval. It changed pretty quickly after a few hours of fishing.

Thanks for the reply!

[dasva]

Megamog is same thing it is for everycraft the stall. Yeah if you search parse in this thread and look for ones by me you should find it. Not sure if it was ever conclusively tested that apron actually increased catch rate or just turned some items into no catches. Apron also gives skill if you synergize it . And you will at least save some time with not having to deal with as many items. If you fish much in towns I'd prioritize that over waders otherwise waders. Of course first thing you should get is the emblem for the stall.

Yeah after that 4 hours of no bites I litterally then caught like 50 in 3 hours which is way higher than my normal old average of like 11-12 if I was using sinkers... speaking of which bait matters too as you'll see form the parses

[gm-pm]

Just a clarification, fishermen's emblem is a guild point item that is used to make the fishermen's stall through synergy with some other ingredients. This stall is a piece of furniture you place in your moghouse to get megmoglification.

[sluggo]

I dont know if its been mentioned, but duck ring just seems to give you heightened discernment. Matsya are still hard to pull up -.-

[gm-pm]

I was wondering about that, sluggo. I didn't want to waste any of the 50 charges. What bothered me is
The description reads "fishy intuition" but not an increase of anything.


How long did the charge last? was it more than the 4 mins (I think) that you can reuse the ring?

[sluggo]

it was very short - probably 4min. the buff reads - even the smallest movement will lead to higher discernment or something like that. it seems like its worthless on bigger fish.

[gm-pm]

Another update:

As a little background, my main's main craft isn't cooking but i do have a lvl 107 cooking mule. I've been trying to lvl her fishing so i don't have to mule over all my fish. Her current fishing lvl is 12 and let me tell you, in my experience, the days of being able to catch fish waaay above you legitimately are over. bladefish? No way. Shall shells in valkurm? Nope. The fish regen is just too strong. Guess i'll try nebs next. I've been hearing horror stories about matsya now.

Before the update, I was surprised at how easily I could deplete matsya's hp... it was only that EVERY catch resulted in a line snap. My fear is if Matsya is way above 110, it may not be catchable legitimately. Has anyone caught them after the update? It's no big deal there's always haks but i hate to think of all the cave cherax i've been catching will be mostly wasted time lol.

[dasva]

As a little background, my main's main craft isn't cooking but i do have a lvl 107 cooking mule. I've been trying to lvl her fishing so i don't have to mule over all my fish. Her current fishing lvl is 12 and let me tell you, in my experience, the days of being able to catch fish waaay above you legitimately are over. bladefish? No way. Shall shells in valkurm? Nope. The fish regen is just too strong. Guess i'll try nebs next. I've been hearing horror stories about matsya now.

Before the update, I was surprised at how easily I could deplete matsya's hp... it was only that EVERY catch resulted in a line snap. My fear is if Matsya is way above 110, it may not be catchable legitimately. Has anyone caught them after the update? It's no big deal there's always haks but i hate to think of all the cave cherax i've been catching will be mostly wasted time lol.

Well could just save them. Time to gil they weren't really that great to begin with compared to Hak's.... I haven't tried them since the update but Hak's are higher than 110 and if anything a little easier now and I'd imagine if you got mooching/rings you could still do it. That said regardless it sounds like another part of the update might negatively effect the fishing of Matsya. Specifically the "There are no restrictions on the number of fish that can inhabit an area." Sounds like you can't hold or even just leave monsters up while sneak fishing in order to conserve bait

[gm-pm]

I haven't tried them yet, but i've heard of people who are 110 with megamoglification and all the gear unable to catch them now which makes me wonder just HOW much above 110 they are. I'm able to catch things above my level and some of them such as takitaros, ryugas, and cave cherax are even easier now. On the flip side there's been my experience with my mule unable to even get close to catching something that used to be extremely catchable at a low level such as shall shells.

[dasva]

I haven't tried them yet, but i've heard of people who are 110 with megamoglification and all the gear unable to catch them now which makes me wonder just HOW much above 110 they are. I'm able to catch things above my level and some of them such as takitaros, ryugas, and cave cherax are even easier now. On the flip side there's been my experience with my mule unable to even get close to catching something that used to be extremely catchable at a low level such as shall shells.

I'd take that with a grain of salt until you try it. I mean there were people who said they couldn't before the update. And between ridill droprates and adjusting to the new system I wouldn't blinding take another persons experience. Sounds like you still got some bait so might as well give it a try and see. When i did them they never fought that hard little easier than gugrus really and about as hard as ryugas just had the special fish short timer thing going for them. Whcih would be fixed with mooching or ring. Though I'd wait till they fix fishing. I've barely touched it since they broke it. There's nothing like getting a bite and then bam dc

[gm-pm]

Just a note:

Fishing gear including bait and lures count as equipment that can be placed in your mog wardrobe... you know like minnows for instance>>

[gm-pm]

and in reply to your statement dasva, I still haventtried matsya yet. I'm not familiar with the dc issues you mentioned. I've never had any trouble... are you using umm.... "assistance" because I don't. Maybe that's the difference.

As an update I'm 99 and turned in my rank up tiger shark. I'm still lvling on titanictus/ryugus and on occasion other easier higher level fish such as cave cherax/takitaros/giant chirais since I tried haks and they were still too hard to reel in. I'll try again after i get the stall made and the apron which i still don't have.

I just got SoA and the abyssea expansions(I know I know) so i was interested in trying Seiryus(sp?) Anyone have any experience with them? Are they easier/harder/about the same as haks? I've read they bite on different bait though(meatballs?)

This is where I wish there were more up to date databases around. I really don't know where/how to catch the aldoin fish or even the ones in abyssea.

[Celebrindor]

You may want to start haks at 99.One thing I had to discover with them was a different level of acceptable reeling in- for 99 probably about 50% but you'll still come out well ahead financially. It will improve to around 70% depending on the day once you cap skill and get stall/apron/waders