Fishing

[Juib]

you're better off stopping everything and focusing on finishing lu shangs

will save you a lot of time and frustration if you just do this

[Ruuz]

Meh, I guess I just dont know what it is like to fish on console (lucky bastards lol). I think I caught one sole in Qufim in the 30s on Halcyon, but that was really lucky. As for Marlin, I guess if you are going for MKris there is no prob, but I currently have tons of marlin clogging up my moghouse and inventory since I havent had the ability to do the charts yet. Anyways, marlin fishing for rings is much faster to do at high level anyways, so I guess I just dont see the point in fishing them up so early in your fishing career except to waste MH space with two rings you dont even need yet.

Also, if you dont need Lu then fine, do whatever you want. Just saying that in my own experience, Lu is invaluable.

[Geddoe]

Think it would be entirely possible to get to 100 fishing skill without lushangs but obviously lushangs the best. Not really "LOL" worthy if someone doesn't have imo.

Also I prefered Trumpet shells over marlin for skill up

[Arkangel]

As for Marlin, I guess if you are going for MKris there is no prob, but I currently have tons of marlin clogging up my moghouse and inventory since I havent had the ability to do the charts yet.

welcome to "part" of my lushangs plan. how do u not have the ability to do the charts?

[Juib]

you want to fund lu shangs by hoping you get mkris drop?

seriously just spend the next week or two fishing up nothing but nebimonites. you'll easily have the gil to finish up the quest

[Ruuz]

you want to fund lu shangs by hoping you get mkris drop?

seriously just spend the next week or two fishing up nothing but nebimonites. you'll easily have the gil to finish up the quest

LOL. This is what I tell any starting fishers now. 1-27 on Nebs and by the time you get there you should have enough to buy Lu. I really wish I would have done it this way. Like a tool I actually fished up Moats for like 2 full months. This was also after I had already bought like 1000 fish off AH.

As for the charts, when I first started fishing Marlin, I hadnt started on the Selbina/Mhaura fishing quests to unlock Zaldon, so I had to dump em on mules till I finally got the sandcharm (F you pirates!). Then I was able to trade and ended up failing 2 Briggands and 1 Pirates. Im new to Hades so I dont have a whole lot of connections, but I did make a friend who will help me on Pirates and my friend who I came to Hades with has very little playtime.

Hopefully today or tomorrow I can get both my rings :D. Hell, I may have extras with all the marlin I have clogging up my storage and inv.

[Juib]

Yeah I didnt realize until I had already turned in about 1000 or so carp that it would have been way easier to fish for profit and just buy Lu Shangs. I kept going with the quest because I didnt feel like turning back at that point, but I would highly recommend any other up and coming fishers not to make the same mistake I made.

[Clyne]

I did not ask for advice on what poles or bait to use, in fact someone offered me help anyway and it ended up being ridiculous because I was suggested to use a halcyon rod for !!!s. I asked one simple question, and no one answered it

You asked why you were getting lack of skill messages when you were only 5 levels from the cap of your target fish. From my personal experience, this happens when the rod and bait combo you are using is less than ideal for the fish you're after. It's been over 2 years since I had to use it, but I used Halcyon rod almost exclusively from the time it was introduced until I got my Lu @ 59, and I only broke is a handful of times ever. I would often switch out to a particular wood rod when I was trying to break them for a stretch of Woodworking skillup, and this is always when I would get that type of message.

Maybe you just had bad luck (how many did you break anyway, or did it happen once and you just assumed it would happen every time?); or maybe they've made some adjustments since I had to use a Halcyon. But I still stand by my advice that the problem you were encountering was almost entirely relevant to your rod choice. Sorry it turned into people slamming you about getting a Lu Shangs.

[Arkangel]

Halcyons break with Marlins almost every time. I was simply using a Mithran with sliced bluetail, and once I got the fish to 0%, it would say you've lost it due to lack of skill. I was trying to figure out whether its something I need to fix by having more gear since I'm only 4-5 lvls from marlins cap, or if its the case of maybe titans (which I don't understand how I could reel in to 0), then it doesn't matter and it is what it is. It would only happen on non-monster pulls, only on !!!s, and would feel no different to me basically that reeling in a marlin. My understanding is that if you get the message, you don't have the skill, then it has nothing to do with rod/bait, I might be wrong....

[ShinseiRyu]

Do canceled fish count towards your 200 fish-per-day fatigue cap? Like if I cancel ahtapots and mercanbaligi in talacca and only catch Dil will I get 200 of them before I fatigue out?

Edit: One more question, do the finishing gp furnishings effects stack (does having more than 1 add more skill) ?

[Ruuz]

Do canceled fish count towards your 200 fish-per-day fatigue cap? Like if I cancel ahtapots and mercanbaligi in talacca and only catch Dil will I get 200 of them before I fatigue out?

Edit: One more question, do the finishing gp furnishings effects stack (does having more than 1 add more skill) ?

Fatigue only counts towards fish you pull up. This includes monsters or items. If you just ESC/cancel it, it does not count towards fatigue.

As for the furnishings, I have no idea how those work.

[Juib]

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[Raineer]

My understanding is that if you get the message, you don't have the skill, then it has nothing to do with rod/bait, I might be wrong....

You are wrong, this message can be gotten with the wrong rod combo. Getting into the late 40's on my first fisher and seeing these messages was exactly why I went and got a Lu. Now I don't get those messages anymore.

I never saw an answer before.. For those fishing on console, are you using keyboard and tap-fishing or are you using controller? I tried both and PC is still much easier for me to fish with, the 360 responds way too slow and it takes forever for me to fish in what is really fast on PC.

[urat]

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Grats!

Was fishing with pelly ring in nashmau last night and this happened:

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...art280/hax.jpg

Anyone ever have this happen to them? I know i got a .4 and a couple .3 skillups while using pelly ring...

Was full moon + lightsday also....

[Juib]

It happens. Pelican ring essentially gives you a second chance at skilling up in addition to your normal skill up rate. Normally this results in skillups more often but occasionally the two skillups will coincide for the oh so sexy double skillup. The best is when you get double .3s but that will only happen when fishing legendaries

[Rilu]

I've been skilling up just fine without it thank you, and I am working on it, not that I care that you know. I did not ask for advice on what poles or bait to use, in fact someone offered me help anyway and it ended up being ridiculous because I was suggested to use a halcyon rod for !!!s. I asked one simple question, and no one answered it, instead all I got was crap because I'm a fool because I don't have a lu shangs. Next time someone asks a question at least read it, or just ignore it, don't use it as an excuse to put the person down because they don't have something you do.

Well, i'm glad you found what you were looking for. Instead of getting upset, how about you look above and see that in fact I did answer your question:

I agree, you should focus on your Lu Shangs, or borrow someones or something, because it will make this fishing SO much easier.

But, lets focus on non-Lu shangs fishing: With sliced bluetail, you will be getting cone calamary, Silver Shark (both are ! fish) and then you will get Monsters, Marlin, and occasional titans (all !!! fish). I guess the question is, are you after skillup, or are you after Marlin for Pirates chart? If so, go with like a composite rod or Mithran, for big fish, but you will lose all the shark and calamary (which sells quite well on my server actually) but you will be able to target marlin much easier. Yes, you won't catch 6-10 marlin each trip if you are using this rod, you may get blanked in fact a couple trips (I have even with Lu shangs). I'm a fan of the composite type rods, Composite, Halcyon, Carbon Fiber, etc. I just like the action I get while fishing with those over the wooden rods.

Thing with Lu Shangs is, you can target it all at the same time.

Yes, you might not want to hear "You should get lu shangs" over and over, but I think that is just coming from experienced fishers letting you know what is going to make your experience skilling up much easier, that is all.

But, as you see above, I did explain what fish you will get with sliced bluetail, as well as which rods to use for which fishing you were going to target. I suggested to use Halcyon for sharks and cone calamary (hence my "i'm a fan of Composite, halcyon, etc") and composite for large fish, if that was what you were going to target.

Good luck on your fishing!

[urat]

It happens. Pelican ring essentially gives you a second chance at skilling up in addition to your normal skill up rate. Normally this results in skillups more often but occasionally the two skillups will coincide for the oh so sexy double skillup. The best is when you get double .3s but that will only happen when fishing legendaries

I can only see something like this happening if you were break fishing with pelly ring on new moon 18:00 lightsday.. and it's raining

but I take it you're speaking from experience, cause that'd be hot.

[Juib]

Yes, you might not want to hear "You should get lu shangs" over and over, but I think that is just coming from experienced fishers letting you know what is going to make your experience skilling up much easier, that is all.

agreed. its not a matter of "omg u dont have lu shangs yet u noob" i only made the original statement about getting lu shangs because you (arkangel) said you were 6k from completing the quest. fact of the matter is when you're at that lvl, stopping everything and just completing the quest is honestly the best thing you can do to improve your fishing.

instead of getting defensive about it you could have originally explained that catching marlins was part of your plan to get lu shangs (which is still a stupid plan btw) instead of stubbornly continued to seek answers to your question

[Indalecia]

I've prolly got about 9 ss's of double skillups with pelican on. Think one was .3, .2.

[Rilu]

I've prolly got about 9 ss's of double skillups with pelican on. Think one was .3, .2.

I'm still dreaming of those skillups, I haven't had any double-skillups yet with pelican, just I do notice a bit of pickup in the number of fish in between skillups (seems to less when using ring)