Despot question

[Taera]

Something i've been wondering is if you can pop Despot by taking a bunch of blms up and ga-3 like 6-7 PH down. My ls has tried a few times but never seen it, however we have popped it with just a few people killing singles. Guess i'm just wondering if anyone has popped it from the other method?

[Velecic]

Despot SUCKS now... so much... killing PHer non-stop (smoking through them hitting chain 20+) and still not seeing a pop for 3-5 hours, and when he does the crappy other linkshell that is killing 1 to our 7 Groundskeepers gets claim grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. On topic though, has anyone confirmed / denounced the theory of him being able to pop off blue light groundskeepers on other islands? For what it matters, he hadn't popped after ~3 hours of killing in main hallway, and after our group killed the 6 on byakko island, the other group got him minutes later on the main island, no idea if it was related in any way. I'm just leaning to him being Lottery now with 2hr minimum respawn. I want the old Despot back...

To give my answer to your question, yes you should be able to pop him by aga-ing, only issue I see is he may not be claimed initially (haven't done this myself so can't confirm) because you are killing multiple PHers at once.

[Aymee]

To give my answer to your question, yes you should be able to pop him by aga-ing, only issue I see is he may not be claimed initially (haven't done this myself so can't confirm) because you are killing multiple PHers at once.

Claim shouldn't be an issue, since you're probably doing timed nukes everything will die in the same -ga, and thus there's no chance of unclaim via nuking/sleeping something else. Besides, there should be some melee around to voke it asap x.x

My LS does the bulk-nuke thing and I've declared it the most boring thing to do in sky. Ever. Except for the BLMs--they just die a lot. The only time it's 'exciting' is if another LS shows up and perhaps people will wipe trying to pull 10 at once to get them all! Or maybe they're voke/attack your slept ones that go unclaimed! Such fun. No idea why nukega is that adored by people--I mean regardless if you nuke them or melee them to death you're still killing the same number of PHes, boo. My best chance to skill things, ruined!

[Builttolast]

Despot is a lottery NM. This means a few things.

1) it has a single placeholder (amongst many possible) that can pop anywhere along that corridor
2) that single PH has a % chance to pop Despot which can result in long periods between pops
3) there is a minimum time in which it cannot pop, but no maximum


Despot isn't broken it just behaves like any other lottery NM.

[Aymee]

Despot isn't broken it just behaves like any other lottery NM.

Except that it's pop condition completely changed as of the last patch. It's not at all like a lottery NM... it's a lottery of corpses, and the time between pops has greatly increased--at least this is the consensus of anyone I've ever talked to.

Actually I wish it was the nice normal lottery again... it was less annoying having to compete for a 1 statue pop at a time than having to worry about people attacking/voking/DoTing your slept mobs to steal them and/or try to mpk you. Anarchy ftw.

[Taera]

To give my answer to your question, yes you should be able to pop him by aga-ing, only issue I see is he may not be claimed initially (haven't done this myself so can't confirm) because you are killing multiple PHers at once.

Claim shouldn't be an issue, since you're probably doing timed nukes everything will die in the same -ga, and thus there's no chance of unclaim via nuking/sleeping something else. Besides, there should be some melee around to voke it asap x.x

My LS does the bulk-nuke thing and I've declared it the most boring thing to do in sky. Ever. Except for the BLMs--they just die a lot. The only time it's 'exciting' is if another LS shows up and perhaps people will wipe trying to pull 10 at once to get them all! Or maybe they're voke/attack your slept ones that go unclaimed! Such fun. No idea why nukega is that adored by people--I mean regardless if you nuke them or melee them to death you're still killing the same number of PHes, boo. My best chance to skill things, ruined!

So does that mean yes you have popped it by grabbing a lot of statues and -ga'ing them down? I personally have not seen it pop from this method yet and I was wondering if doing this reduced the chance of popping it because all the blm cast on one statue. Like if it couldnt pop because that specific PH wasnt targeted by any attack, just victim to AoE dmg, thus not popping because it wasnt directly attacked. The chances of that being completely wrong are great, but after having it not pop for so long, it just made me think.

[Aymee]

So does that mean yes you have popped it by grabbing a lot of statues and -ga'ing them down? I personally have not seen it pop from this method yet and I was wondering if doing this reduced the chance of popping it because all the blm cast on one statue. Like if it couldnt pop because that specific PH wasnt targeted by any attack, just victim to AoE dmg, thus not popping because it wasnt directly attacked. The chances of that being completely wrong are great, but after having it not pop for so long, it just made me think.

I apologize for dodging a direct answer. Yes, bulk nuke all you'd like, it'll pop. There's no way to prove at this time that killing one at a time instead of a bunch would make him more or less likely to pop. Yes, it's insanely boring, but it seems most LSes have deemed this 'the way' to do it right now.

There's only a 50/50 shot that's true, in my view. There are 2 ways it could pop--either there's a random % every mob killed after a certain length of time (3 hours now?), or after 3 hours there are types of windows he might pop and it's based on time, not random death. If it's the first, then the bulk-killing-endless-chain system is theoretically 'better'. If it's the later, there's no reason to change from the old system. To others that posted, frustrated to see 1 PT kill 1 PH and get it, that's either just really bad luck, or proof of a time-based pop and not a % pop. As far as we know, there's a potential window of pop like kings and he can only pop after a kill during that time. He doesn't 'have' to pop... this could explain why you can sit out there for ages and get no pop, whereas it was pretty much assured you'd be there 2-3hrs max pre-patch.

...Actually, could we theorize that Despot is now window-based with a start time and a maximum end time? I've heard 3hr min and maybe 6hr max... there's just random chance over time of the entire span, or during windows, with a force pop if there's no groundskeepers killed the entire time? Just a thought.

Anyway--to pull, just to be safe, we generally have people voke/enfeeble/stack sleep on whatever we pull just to make sure we keep them all claimed (Red). If there aren't any other LSes around you've got nothing to worry about regardless, and evenso you should be fine.

[Taera]

Thanks a lot. I appreciate the direct answer and elaboration.

[Fridell]

Hmm, yesterday we was slaying for about 2.5 hours max and it popped. About the 3 hour thing i dont know, from what ppl say, it looks like its very random.

[Dammerung]

I've recently returned to sky.. Despot seems to be working ok. Is there a better system to make it pop? Maybe, but this method isn't terrible. It is also pretty funny to watch another LS pull 5+, have Despot pop, then have one of their others do meltdown and wipe them all out..

[Kidzukai]

Sad thing is, my LS has seen Despot more times when one or two people are up there fighting Groundskeepers than when we have 6-18 up there... /cry

[HAcoreRD]

If it wasn't Ulli it had to be despot. it's PH seems random within a 2-6 hour time frame. As mentioned above, mass pulling is good unless an opposing LS decides to Diaga, or steal a monster and milk it to Meltdown and wipe 1/2 your team out.

Still beat waiting 21-24 hours to have Gillies claim Ulli

[Therin]

When I go do him solo on DRK I just pull one at a time and never repeat a single blue light until I've cleared at least 4-5 others.

As long as the window is open, I've yet to go over half an hour without a pop.

It seems like it takes longer when you do them all at once with a larger group (I don't know WHY this is, but it definitely seems like it).

[Taera]

When I go do him solo on DRK I just pull one at a time and never repeat a single blue light until I've cleared at least 4-5 others.

Please elaborate on this. I'm interested how you pop and solo him on DRK (if that's what you mean by that).

[Sylvrdragon]

When I go do him solo on DRK I just pull one at a time and never repeat a single blue light until I've cleared at least 4-5 others.

Please elaborate on this. I'm interested how you pop and solo him on DRK (if that's what you mean by that).

W.Legs + BioII + The occasional Drain. Same way a RDM does it, except you have stun to fall back on in emergencies rather than Bind/Gravity. Any job with Movement speed and DoTs can do it.

[Taera]

Ah damn, no crimson leg for me so cant do that.

[levish]

Spawned him in about 1 hour of pulling 2-3 dolls at a time and meleeing them down, one doll at a time takes too long