Where has the skill gone??

[Saraphym]

Just a note, there is a reason beyond it just being habit that brds pull with elegy. After casting most songs you get a slight delay, a pause where you can't move or cast or do anything.

gear swapping cures this, no? or are we talking about something else?

[Kirst]

As for my gripe with people being unskilled - I'm sick of every brd lvl 24+ subbing nin in exp. You won't automatically be chain pulling at lower levels just because you sub nin. There are times when you'll only have a brd and a rdm or whm or smn as your mages and if that happens (which is often when I exp my cor) the extra cures can really help out. Nin sub can be a valuable tool as a brd but I really wish people understood that it's not the be all end all sub for brds in exp, especially pre 74.

On the other hand, I've been levelling bard through 20s/30s lately, and I normally sub whm (mainly because so many whm at that level are useless) and they all want me pull - but they tell me AFTER I get to camp. And then the whm moans when I take damage. Simple answer - find a proper puller at that level! On that note, you war/sam/thfs at that level - buy a fucking bow and arrow, or a xbow and some acids. Or a boomerang. I don't care, but don't turn up in the jungles without anything to pull with. Especially when it is your fifth+ job through there, you do know how it rolls by now...

[Fridell]

Just got done with a low 50's PT, the BLM must have just gotten Freeze b/c it's literally ALL THAT HE CASTED, over and over, the second the recast was up, till he had no MP, then repeat.

I'd have bitched, but I was just in awe at his complete suicidal tendencies.

I'll now direct my anger and pent-up frustration at:

-- People that want to be walked through the entire game.
I did all of ZM with a PT of 63-65's, you don't need 5 75's dragging your ass through them.
I soloed G3, as did all my friends, quit bitching because you don't want to, idk, learn how NOT to aggro an entire zone.

-- People that complain about being broke, yet spend all day sitting around in Whitegate.
Stuff is SO cheap now, and I know deflation affects this, but it's still good money for newer players to farm Beehive Chips and Sheepskins/Wool.

-- People that want help, without helping themselves
No I don't remember every single cutscene in CoP, that's what the internet is for, look it up yourself.

-- People that are unable to do anything besides TP burn
How many retards did I run into helping with things like Aht Urghan 44, that ran in, unloaded their leet damage, and died in 10 seconds.
I could name so many occasions other than that fight, I just can't understand why people can't comprehend that not every mob in the game is a Greater Colibri.

I love you!

[rithridan]

I think everything here has been mentioned multiple times already but whatever.

#1 Lack of preparation.
90% of the people I know/play with have or play on a PC. How hard can it be to actually take the effort of looking up stuff on your own? I've helped people on ZM or CoP where I'd ask them where to go since I wasn't sure 100% and they would go: "idk, you've done it before not me". I do sea and sky regularely with the same group and still people can't navigate the area or remember how certain mobs work. http://www.ffxi-atlas.com learn it, love it. If you play fullscreen or on a PS2BOX360 and can't check while playing then PRINT IT OUT! If thats still too much trouble then do the map quest/coffer for crying out loud.

#2 Lack of common sense.
When you have but 1 WHM and 1 of your 2 tanks drop, you don't continue TP spamming that mob to death. Hi, 3 more TP moves on a solo tank in the time it takes to raise the dead tank! Even though its a lot of fun, playing suicidebomber terrorist on weakened people during Faith/Chevlnik(sp)/Kirin, when your already in poor shape due to something or another you don't continue bombing the weakened people!

#3 Lack of game knowledge.
Though its more a combination of the above 2 points. Stuff like kiting mobs right past resting mages and THEN logging off; or popping Ix'DRK/DRG in a small group and not dropping alliance but claiming right away; or CFH on an add while being in the same alliance fighting the mob you want to kill.

#4 Waiting times...
Taking an hour to gather and make parties, you know what its like. Then having to wait on one person who AFK'ed or D/C'ed in the process.

I can't really comment on pickup parties, I hardly ever do them. <3 nyzul birds, relaxed exping *duck*

[Undeadhunter]

Just a note, there is a reason beyond it just being habit that brds pull with elegy. After casting most songs you get a slight delay, a pause where you can't move or cast or do anything.

gear swapping cures this, no? or are we talking about something else?

how about melee putting shadows up, (assuming you at least 1 person with /NIN or NIN main (god forbid they might even VOKE a mob after pull) you'll have no problem with getitng hit with elegy
also I resist elegy 3/4 times it gets cast on me from those birds, or does it land ever time on melee.

Really elegy is the only song that's useful to pull with, all others lag too long (and gear switching might solve it, but it'll just be more annoying to press another macro while pulling & sleeping 3 mobs)

[Alibeemac]

I always pull with Elegy when I am on Birds. I don't see the issue with it since the stupid bird either resists it or if it doesn't it hits me and not the Party. I sub /whm so I can just toss and erase on myself altho half the time I don't even bother since by the time I run off and pull a 2nd bird with Battlefield plus sing songs my recast on carnage is back up and if it doesn't it is no biggie to toss out a threnody pull just to keep chain.

My biggest problem with bird parties are noob melee who scream for double minuet but who refuse to use Acc gear or Food therefore making it a whiff fest so that exp sucks and I die cause the melee don't voke it, because moron melees are more concerned with trying to do one uber WS the one time they don't whiff than actually keep a chain going and the party alive.

Other Gripes:

CFH - People that still don't know not to CFH in main alliance makes me wanna tear my hair out. SE seriously needs to add a feature that allows you to turn it off or just make HNMs unCFhable >.>

Preparation - People who spam 20 questions at you because they are too lazy to look it up themselves. I have np with someone asking me something if I had completed the mission or w/e and they had done some research and just want some clarification or personal experience on something but come on do some basic prep work like everyone else. It isn't nursery school where people get their hand held.

Plenty other stuff like people seeking party but go afk while doing so or ignoring you therefore your perfect party setup seeking turns into random pick up noobness just to fill spots. If you don't a party don't put your flag up -.- People refuse or ignore invites from my BRD. That is just plain retarded....

[Eldelphia]

<snip>

-- People that want to be walked through the entire game.
I did all of ZM with a PT of 63-65's, you don't need 5 75's dragging your ass through them.
I soloed G3, as did all my friends, quit bitching because you don't want to, idk, learn how NOT to aggro an entire zone.

-- People that complain about being broke, yet spend all day sitting around in Whitegate.
Stuff is SO cheap now, and I know deflation affects this, but it's still good money for newer players to farm Beehive Chips and Sheepskins/Wool.

-- People that want help, without helping themselves
No I don't remember every single cutscene in CoP, that's what the internet is for, look it up yourself.

<snip>

Especially the -- People that want help, without helping themselves part. I'm a shell leader and people constantly ask me questions. Considering most of the stuff people ask I've done over a year ago it's not usually at the top of my head. When it got to the point where peeps were pretty much assuming they could ask rather than read it for themselves, I started snapping and now most peeps get the hint. Some of my shell members see my temper rising and now divert members to appropriate resources before I lose it

Recently had a run in with one of my friends in game about this. She's great and right now school is fairly busy but she's been doing CoP s l o w l y ... She is so incredibly lazy about looking up what she has to do that it drives me insane. 10 mins reading before and after the mission is enough to give you an idea....

Recently those who don't have access (Around 20 of us do) have been pushing for it, most are on ch 5 and we have a lot of newer members. She's tried to get in on it but does just nothing.
She even got left behind by her former real life guy because he got frustrated having to wait for her. I appreciate that people's priorities differ but she then gets upset if people do it without her and annoyed if people point out she is the one who should be doing more.

So a topical issue for me right now!

Oh and /wave my fellow EUer

[Kisetai]

On the other hand, I've been levelling bard through 20s/30s lately, and I normally sub whm (mainly because so many whm at that level are useless) and they all want me pull - but they tell me AFTER I get to camp. And then the whm moans when I take damage. Simple answer - find a proper puller at that level! On that note, you war/sam/thfs at that level - buy a fucking bow and arrow, or a xbow and some acids. Or a boomerang. I don't care, but don't turn up in the jungles without anything to pull with. Especially when it is your fifth+ job through there, you do know how it rolls by now...

This drives me insane on my lvl 61 corsair too, which is why I and my static partner usually make our own parties. It's not fun to get invited on cor/rng and end up long pulling colibri or puks which move quickly and wishing I'd known to sub nin before heading to camp. People really need to decide who's pulling before even setting out to camp.

Just a note, there is a reason beyond it just being habit that brds pull with elegy. After casting most songs you get a slight delay, a pause where you can't move or cast or do anything.

gear swapping cures this, no? or are we talking about something else?

how about melee putting shadows up, (assuming you at least 1 person with /NIN or NIN main (god forbid they might even VOKE a mob after pull) you'll have no problem with getitng hit with elegy
also I resist elegy 3/4 times it gets cast on me from those birds, or does it land ever time on melee.

Really elegy is the only song that's useful to pull with, all others lag too long (and gear switching might solve it, but it'll just be more annoying to press another macro while pulling & sleeping 3 mobs)

Gear swapping might fix this but only if you gear swap right when the song ends, it's a lag in the animation of completing the song, and the game will display this animation even if it didn't show you singing.

I agree with undeadhunter, nin and /nin party members should be keeping shadows up well enough to not be hit with elegy most of the time and if they are hit it shouldn't be too much of a hassle for them to get an erase. I'm usually Brd/whm in merit parties with 2 brds (since I have relic) and I make a point of watching where my reflected songs land so I can erase or cure since I know it's coming where as the main healer may not.

[Maaglin]

I'll now direct my anger and pent-up frustration at:


-- People that want help, without helping themselves
No I don't remember every single cutscene in CoP, that's what the internet is for, look it up yourself.

Yes yes yes. I've just recently come back from a year + layoff. My current goal is to finish CoP and get Sea. So I've gone from PM 3-1 to just beating Promy-Vazhal in a 3 day span (and still going strong, haven't lost one fight yet) but I am so tired of people that can't be bothered to look up where their cut scenes are on this thing called the internet.

When you beat a mission, say Diablous for example, why can't you immediately just go get all your freaking cuts done so you are ready for the Ouryu fight? Why do you wait unitl you actually get invited (because you're too lame to take the inititive to make your own group) to do your damn cuts and not only make us all wait for you, but you're too stupid to figure out where you need to go?

And wtf is up with people doing PM misions that you have to badger and threaten to boot them before they'll buy meds? I'm sorry, you're the pld, you're going to need some hi-pots and an au lait. Mages, get off your high horse and buy some goddam hi-ethers. And then my favorite. "You didn't tell me I needed oils/powders so I don't have any". WTF? Don't you always carry that shit as a matter of principle? Do I have to hold your hand 100% of the time? Give me a break.

I'll throw some coin down for someone who's beaten the mission and is helping me out. But otherwise, spend the omfg 10k on some meds and lets win the fight. I'm not doing "dry runs", I'm not there to lose. I'm there to freaking win and move on with the missions. Piss or get off the damn pot.

And buy a damn reraise earring you cheap piece of shit.

[Marcicus]

I had a THF do CoP 2-3. We told him/her to bring picking tools for lock. Apparently s/he was so poor s/he couldn't afford it and said so in party(no one saw this), so it takes a fucking alliance of 8 people TWO HOURS to finally get to Minotaur and kill it(we almost wiped ffs).

CURSNA GETS RID OF DOOM NOT ERASE FFS.

At one point I got so fed up and just decided not to voke off idiots who aggroed shit for no reason. Our SMN decided to rest right next to a fucking undead toad and proceeded to die. Dumb bitch.

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU NEED TO BE TOLD TO BRING SNEAK/INVIS OILS.

And on Promyvion, god damn people. Even a group of monkeys with 1/8th of a brain that brings animas can win that shit yet somehow it's still the most difficult mission in the world.

Enough about CoP.

BST/WHMs that don't sub WAR in a pt because they're afraid they will pull hate off a fucking Paladin needs to quit life.
WARs that lot M.Hands for Steel Cyclone need to be shot.
WARs using Unicorn Harness over Haubergeon for TP gain and WS because it has more DEF and won't pull hate...well there's no hope for you.
GOD DAMNIT MAGES IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO LEVEL WITH A FUCKING UNDERLEVELED SUB (e.g. RDM61/BLM25).
Seigan was invented for a reason.
If I see one more /thf in meripo...
BLUs TPing in MP Rings, oh how I wish I could punch you in the face.

Woo I'm updating this list as soon as I get out of my lab.

[Furionstormrage]

[WARs using Unicorn Harness over Haubergeon for TP gain and WS because it has more DEF and won't pull hate...well there's no hope for you.

Going with this, WARs that won't tank, especially in meripo, need to be dragged out back and shot.
Provoke is not a PLD Job Ability.

[Maaglin]

BLM's that don't have whm sub. WHM's that don't have smn sub. RDM's that don't have whm sub.

I'm so sick of this shit. I mean, yeah, my first job to 75 was DRK and I somehow managed to have WAR, THF, NIN, SAM, and WHM sub. There's just no fucking exucse.

And BLM's that can't backup heal in emergencies. Went to Diablous fight with DRK SAM RDM BLM PLD WAR. Told BLM that he'll have to pay attention and emergency heal if needed and he freaked out, almost dropped pt and I almost kicked him. WTF? It's not hard. Oh yeah. He only had RDM sub too. We won easily, but shit man, get your goddam subs leveled.

[Marcicus]

I just thought of one.

NO YOUR FUCKING KCLUB MONK USING 2HR WONT OUTPARSE A DESTROYERS MONK THAT HAS FULL H2H MERITS ON KV BECAUSE DESTROYERS "HITS TOO SLOWLY".

You know who you are, even if I do like you.

[Malinn]

I'm sure I speak for every SAM when I say DOMARUUUU!!! It saddens me that so many bad SAMs have sprung up after the recent update. They have no idea how to gear or play properly, they just ride the great katana gravy train/slipnslide and barely try. Not to say there weren't bad SAMs before, they're just more numerious now.

And I'm sure this has been mentioned, but a SMN or Second WHM is NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR A RDM/COR/BRD DAMMIT.

But I will admit, I recently got WAR to 75 and I can't tank for beans. I'm rather thankful for Elegy/Slow II, even at the expense of a shadow. I suppose RDM/NIN has warped my sense of casting time. Being Mithra and being as durable as a stained glass window doesnt help either. I guess it's odd that I can work Seigan so well, but struggle a bit with shadows. Just need practice practice practice.

[Maaglin]

I'm sure I speak for every SAM when I say DOMARUUUU!!! It saddens me that so many bad SAMs have sprung up after the recent update. They have no idea how to gear or play properly, they just ride the great katana gravy train/slipnslide and barely try. Not to say there weren't bad SAMs before, they're just more numerious now.

And I'm sure this has been mentioned, but a SMN or Second WHM is NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR A RDM/COR/BRD DAMMIT.

But I will admit, I recently got WAR to 75 and I can't tank for beans. I'm rather thankful for Elegy/Slow II, even at the expense of a shadow. I suppose RDM/NIN has warped my sense of casting time. Being Mithra and being as durable as a stained glass window doesnt help either. I guess it's odd that I can work Seigan so well, but struggle a bit with shadows. Just need practice practice practice.

I hear ya on shadows. It's not hard, but it can become very tedious when you've been exp'ing for a few hours counting shadows. Seigan/Thrid Eye is not near as intensive as keeping Utsusemi up.

Had our whm get a blm replacement and our cor get a sam replacement the other day /die. Replacement parties are gay anyway. Everytime someone gets a replacement w/o saying anything, I just feel like disbanding immediately w/o saying a damn word. But I guess when you're such a gigantic fag that as a cor you get a sam replacement, I wouldn't want to say anything either.

[Septimus]

BLM's that don't have whm sub. WHM's that don't have smn sub. RDM's that don't have whm sub.

My second character's WHM is 75 and he does not have SMN past level 1. Since our LS doesn't use WHM/SMN for anything, so that one qualifies for the SIS card. The other two, most indubitably.

[Hakamaru]

I'm sure I speak for every SAM when I say DOMARUUUU!!!

Actaully, I don't get why people rag on the Domaru so adamantly. I don't think I can come up with a situation where it's the absolute best piece (unless we start talking HQ). However, I can think of a situation where WS'ing in Domaru is completely equivalent to WSing in Osode while maintaining your 6-hit. It's actually quite sad how close the 2 pieces are when you account for 6-hit.

As for the SAM gravy train... it's been my experience that a lot of the SAMs coming up are pretty top-shelf. Seems more like smart people leveling a job they've identified as over-powered as opposed to total idiots wandering blindly onto the "gravy train".

[Tajin]

People rag the Domaruuuuu because SAMs use it full time instead of Haubergeon, unless i missed something ._.

[RKenshin]

how about melee putting shadows up, (assuming you at least 1 person with /NIN or NIN main (god forbid they might even VOKE a mob after pull) you'll have no problem with getitng hit with elegy
also I resist elegy 3/4 times it gets cast on me from those birds, or does it land ever time on melee.

Really elegy is the only song that's useful to pull with, all others lag too long (and gear switching might solve it, but it'll just be more annoying to press another macro while pulling & sleeping 3 mobs)

See, that's the thing. In nearly all my PTs (especially pickup PTs) I'm using Provoke literally just about every time the recast is ready. I'm so badly in the habit of Provoking I have to disable the macro on DRK/RNG/etc or I'll end up face tanking, and in Salvage when I don't have SJ as SAM/WAR I'll feel lost to the world. But the point is I'm voking mobs often before they're able to attack the BRD once arriving at camp (as long as recast is up), and sometimes even before the BRD can pull it. And yeah sure it's great for the BRDs since it saves them from having to recast shadows/take damage as often and allows them to pull faster/do their job better, which is part of why I do it, but as a result I'm the one getting elegied half the time (and I don't resist it).

As SAM/WAR I'm obviously lacking shadows to absorb Elegy so, yeah. But even with shadows it's still a pain in the butt to have two shadows taken right off the bat after provoking, especially when in a fast PT you don't have time to make sure three shadows are up at the start of each fight. And if I don't do it then most of the time, no one does. Or if they do it's slow. Especially in pickup PTs.

[Rena]

See, that's the thing. In nearly all my PTs (especially pickup PTs) I'm using Provoke literally just about every time the recast is ready. I'm so badly in the habit of Provoking I have to disable the macro on DRK/RNG/etc or I'll end up face tanking, and in Salvage when I don't have SJ as SAM/WAR I'll feel lost to the world. But the point is I'm voking mobs often before they're able to attack the BRD once arriving at camp (as long as recast is up), and sometimes even before the BRD can pull it. And yeah sure it's great for the BRDs since it saves them from having to recast shadows/take damage as often and allows them to pull faster/do their job better, which is part of why I do it, but as a result I'm the one getting elegied half the time (and I don't resist it).

Ever since last patch, colibri m.acc seems to have been enhanced, I no longer resisty elegy as BRD either. ; ; Probably thanks to messing with mob stats... it sucks though.

People not voking is the thing I hate most about pickup parties though, and if they do, half the time they voke too soon and mess up that way instead... that's mostly a problem on birds, though it's still annoying when you run off for another pull with the previous pull after you. >_>;