New WeaponSkill Chart

[Max™]

Yeah, I always operated on "this has these elements, it should make this SC" and strangely, in my experience it's worked fairly well...

I just assumed since RR worked with Aqua/Snow Gorgets and made Frag, that it had to have a Thunder or Wind property in there without actually knowing the elements (RR sucked out loud pre-Crit TP so I didn't really use it much), weird.

[Aquilla]

There is a lot of info here, so thanks for the work^^; It is way too bulky for me to use as reference though, since I like aden's simple arrow approach... not that skillchains are in much use nowadays, except in certain endgame stuff, where your choices almost invariably are thf-drk-sam-rng XD (actually, mostly sam, now that I think about it.)

It is more of a reference list than a chart though, what with all the info on lv/skill level/effect, etc.

[Max™]

Skillchains when they can be tossed out in Merits are awesome.

When you get in a cycle with some jobs, you will naturally TP at a similar rate afterwards.

Sam's will out TP me, due to both of our 6 hits having a 50 delay difference, though I have slightly more haste, and slightly more DA.

Drk + War though, and other combo's, it's WELL worth it to hold off a second or two when you know the other person will be firing a guilly soon, and drop a RR for a 200-600 dmg Frag.

[Spider-Dan]

Relevant bump:

What's the chance of this type of chart (see: OP) being remade with mythic WS included?

[Psymia]

The chance is very good
Actually i already have them in a version i dont want to publish because i have to refit the various sections >_<

I'm in the endphase of my Diploma work and will have in about 2 Weeks the time to finish it.
I hope i then also can finish the "lookup-version" which can be used as a short-reference.

[Ahnuld]

How's the new chart coming along?

[Izzy]

Seconding the Adennak chart. All other charts just look like a pile of shit.

[Liquidedust]

Seconding the Adennak chart. All other charts just look like a pile of shit.

Pretty much the same, most of the time I know what I want to make not which Weaponskills I have access to (becomes kind of a nullpoint for me). So Adens layout as well as functionality is what I need.

Not saying its bad work or anything, but a SC chart laid out this way makes everything take two steps longer for me since I have to memorize every single WS properties instead of just look up Light for example and see which WSs I need to make Light.

Basically this chart makes me have to go two extra steps to provide the information I need instead of just doing Light -> which WSs.

Basically KISS, and this isn't KISS it is too informative for something that should be easy to reference.

[Zhais]

anyone happen to have a copy of the most recent destinyseekers/alvehannya(sp) SC chart? Site went down and both my comps have undergone re-imaging/reformats ;;

I used that one for so many years, I've always seen aden's as ugly obtrusive and huuuuuuuuuuuge. Don't need fancy schmancy graphics getting in my way when I'm trying to find skillchains :\

[Tempyst]

Seconding the Adennak chart. All other charts just look like a pile of shit.

I hope Adennak updates soon, his chart is my favorite by far. At the moment I'm cycling everything in my head with "OK Drakesbane chains like Kasha" and I'm having trouble keeping everything straight. I should probably just get off my own ass and write the new entries in but Aden's is so pretty

[LeifofKujata]

Seconding the Adennak chart. All other charts just look like a pile of shit.

I memorize almost all the SC properties, so a cute, pretty, and quick reference is all I need. Someone get a new one out .

[Spider-Dan]

Not saying its bad work or anything, but a SC chart laid out this way makes everything take two steps longer for me since I have to memorize every single WS properties instead of just look up Light for example and see which WSs I need to make Light.

Basically this chart makes me have to go two extra steps to provide the information I need instead of just doing Light -> which WSs.

Basically KISS, and this isn't KISS it is too informative for something that should be easy to reference.

I still don't understand this line of reasoning.

When I need to make a SC, here is my thought process:

1) What element(s) do I need to burst? (usually ice or thunder)
2) Which SCs can burst that element? (Induration/Distortion/Darkness or Impaction/Frag/Light)
3) Which weapons do we have available or SC with?

#3 is the important part, as I see it. Aden's chart organizes WSes by the SC they can make, but that doesn't do me a damn bit of good if we don't have that weapon available.

I find it vastly more efficient to determine which SCs I can make from the weapons I have available, as opposed to trying to determine which WSes may or may not be able to make one of the several SCs that I would want.

[Belgaer]

I'm trying to figure out which weapon would work best for me to give to my NPC. I want to be able to open and close with both Savage Blade and Expiacion, and then close off that skillchain with a physical spell to create another skillchain (with either Disseverment or Vertical Cleave)... So... Yeah, Aden's chart doesn't help a whole lot, since it's hard to tell what actually *works* with it in a lot of cases, so you can't be sure... And I'm having a hard time keeping track of all the different skillchain possibilities. I've tried looking at the property chain chart on the last page and Aden's chart, and both lead me to believe far more skillchains work than actually do. For example, Red Lotus Blade/Burning Blade does not open Scission for Savage Blade, but the charts would lead you to believe they do.

Anyway, It would take all day to press in all that info for the calculator at http://magitekarmy.com/skillchain.php ... FFXI Calculator is far simpler and less time-consuming for me... Problem is, the guy doesn't keep the program up to date.

But yeah, seeing a chart that illustrates how the new weaponskills *really* work would be great. Too bad we still don't really have much info to make it 100% accurate. :/

[Havok]

For example, Red Lotus Blade/Burning Blade does not open Scission for Savage Blade

uhh, yes they do? I don't see any reason they shouldn't...

[Psymia]

For example, Red Lotus Blade/Burning Blade does not open Scission for Savage Blade, but the charts would lead you to believe they do.

This chain does work.
If you dont believe it, just go out and test it.

A lot of chains work, but people just dont know about them.

Anyway. I kind of have a version ready to look at.
I just need some feedback.

http://psymia.mine.nu/WSE_v2.0.1_RC1.pdf
is the "reduced" version which includes the new WS's.

http://psymia.mine.nu/beta_testers/WSE_v2.1.1_beta1.pdf
is the "full" version which includes the new WS's.


I basically just need to find out from what skill on (if any?) and from what level on you can use the new WS's.
Then 2.0.1 version is final and wont be changed anymore.

The 2.2 version is the start of a new way to display the awesomness of a WS.
It seems i'm resorting to including all mods and multiplier of the WS's.

if someone sees an obvious fault please say so.

The versions i made up to now are intend to print out on A3.


Now i also made a new "mini" version containing only the elemental infos and the diagram.
This is still in alpha stage since i'm trying to figure out how to display it best.
http://psymia.mine.nu/beta_testers/W...ark1_alpha.pdf
http://psymia.mine.nu/beta_testers/W...ark2_alpha.pdf
http://psymia.mine.nu/beta_testers/W...rmal_alpha.pdf
These are 3 preliminary versions i think could work.
I'd be glad to get some feedback to these 3 version. And ideas how else i could display it.
On the backside of these mini-version i plan to add the weaknesses of the mobs.

This miniversion is intended to print out on A4.

[Fwahm]

You can use the new weaponskills at any skill level, as long as your job is at 75.

[Izzy]

Not to sound like a huge douche, but I would never use your charts. People really want something they can easily look at and find a skillchain. Your chart is really good and accurate, but it's not easy to read. This is the chart that most people live and die by:

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3272/renkei15ud6.jpg

If this guy would just update his chart with all the new WS's, we'd be golden Q_Q

[Psymia]

Why does everyone assume i never heard of adens chart....?

As i've stated multiple times. I'm basically making this chart for myself. If others can use it too, great.
If you cannot/dont want to use it... i dont care ^^"

[Kaylia]

This was my favorite one years ago...too bad it was never updated with lv 70+ WS. Simple maybe... but so fucking easy compared to anything that was done after.

[Havok]

Some of us just don't like Aden's chart...

It's already been explained in this thread why some of us prefer Psymia's style of chart

people just take different mental paths to come up with the skillchain they need. aden's chart is just a jumbled mess to me.

anyway thank you for 2.0.1 :D now i need a piece of paper big enough to print it without reducing size...