New WeaponSkill Chart

[Jkun]

I stopped using charts when people got too lazy to include Automaton skillchains.

SO I MADE MY OWN. It's blu-tacced to my wall and has a doodle of Prishe giving you the middle finger in the bottom right corner.

...Seriously though it'd be nice to see a really good, recent chart like Aden's again.

[Belgaer]

I've tried Red Lostus/Burning Blade >> Savage Blade with my NPC and it doesn't seem to chain. :/

Anyway, after looking at your chart for a moment, I've decided it's actually really great... It requires a basic explaination of how WS's work, but if you understand that (it's all about the elements, and there's a flow chart of it in the very center), you can match up the elements on your own while all the WS info is there. That works great for me.

However, flow charts are nice too, especially for a beginner who cares to know more.If you're a n amateur procrastinator hoping to go pro, like I am, having both on hand works great too.

Though... I would recommend making your own chart if none of these work for you.

I might make my own as well in photoshop... We'll see. If I do, I'll post a thread where people can post skillchain charts they find so we aren't intruding on the OP here. If someone goes ahead and does that, that's cool too. lol I'm not going to unless I make my own.

As far as Quinn's chart goes... It's missing a lot of info. And, maybe I'm misreading it, but a lot of it is false. But I may use it or Aden's chart as a template for my own if I do make one.

[Kaylia]

As far as Quinn's chart goes... It's missing a lot of info. And, maybe I'm misreading it, but a lot of it is false. But I may use it or Aden's chart as a template for my own if I do make one.

Of course it's missing info, it was made not so long after they added lv75 to the game (which is a long time before CoP)

I posted it because sincerely, I believe it's the best template out there. Almost everything is connected with a simple (and short) arrow , and every skillchain can be found easily with the color code. Aden's chart is pretty and all, but the way he made his arrow and positioned his square make it difficult to read. There is no symmetry in his chart, and the background picture are intrusive..


The lv3 section of Aden's chart is perfect tho. It clearly show the relation between the 4 lv2 elements, which is all you need to know.

[Spider-Dan]

Outstanding job, Psymia. I personally prefer the WSE_v2_mini_normal_alpha.pdf version.

The one thing I would suggest to add to the mini-chart versions is skill levels (job level for SMN only). It's a relatively small column and it's still quite useful, particularly for level-synced parties.

P.S. The link to v2.2 appears to be dead.

edit: another suggestion- you might consider making Transfixion and L3 Light slightly different colors, similar to how Compression and Darkness are not the same color. Maybe a slightly whiter white, or a barely bluish-white for L3 Light?

[Psymia]

I changed my mind about 2.2
The version as it is is more 2.1.1 and less 2.2.
As soon as i finished adding all he mods and multipliers i'll move it to 2.2
I updated the link.

Do you mean something like this?: http://psymia.mine.nu/beta_testers/W...spider_dan.pdf

with these 6 columns more it's just a bit too wide to fit good on A4...
But i think i'll try to squeze it a bit with a different font (have to play around a bit).

[sleekmotorwurkz]

I dont know if it will help anyone, but it has helped me so I figured ill post.
Im not going to undertake updating aden's chart because its so well organized, but I will tell you where to insert the weaponskills if you want to modify aden's chart manually.

Top right corner fragmentation (purple/green swirl)
King's Justice A
Blade: Kamu A
Trueflight A
Mordant Rime A
Death Blossom A
Vidohunir B

Top right corner gravitation (black/yellow swirl)
Tachi: Rana A
Primal Rend A
Leaden Salute A
Stringing Pummel A
Omniscience A

Top right corner fusion (red/white swirl)
Insurgency A
Drakesbane A
Ascetic's Fury A
Mandalic Stab A
Atonement A
Garland of bliss A

Top right corner distortion (blue/lightblue swirl)
Phyrric Kleos A
Mordant Rime B
Expiacion A
Death blossom B
Vidohunir A

Bottom section impaction (lightning bolts)
None

Bottom section liquefaction (fireball)
Stringing Pummel B

Bottom section detonation (wind tornado thingy
None

Bottom section reverberation (water big wave)
Primal Rend B
Atonement B
Garland of Bliss B

Bottom section scission (big rock)
King's Justice B
Trueflight B
Phyrric Kleos B
Expiacion B

Bottom Section induration (ice section bottom left)
Tachi: Rana B

Bottom section transfixion (light burst)
Drakesbane B
Ledean Salute B
Ascetic's Fury B
Omniscience B

Bottom section compression (dark burst bottom right)
Insurgency B
Blade: Kamu B
Mandalic Stab B



I know its not much, but I dont have a good image editor at work, and even if I had photoshop im not sure I could do much better then aden did on his chart, so ill probably just print out his and pencil these in when I get a chance.

[Gunslinger]

Edit: I take that back... it's going to take more than a minute without an editable photoshop or AI file :O

I guess I can always re-envision it in illustrator. I'll see what I can come up with.

[Gunslinger]

Chart is coming along nicely... but have you guys been to Aden's website for the chart? He has this at the bottom of the page:

Legal Mombo Jumbo: Aden’s Renkei Chart may not be altered in any way for distribution, nor may it be sold for commercial gain. Reproduction of the chart is allowed under the conditions that 1) the content of Aden’s Renkei Chart (both graphical and textual) is not altered in any way (even to make corrections), 2) the copyright and website link remain in tact, 3) no money is made from the redistribution of Aden’s Renkei Chart, either in electronic or printed form, even if no profit is earned, and 4) Aden’s Renkei Chart may never be offered as “premium” or pay content on any membership based website. Aden’s Renkei Chart may be reproduced, enlarged, and/or professionally printed for personal use only.

lol? Not seeing how any of that would hold up in a court of law, counting his chart is based on a preexisting intellectual property he doesn't own. Sooooo, since I have to change the images since I don't have the original sources, and he's so opposed to people editing his chart, I guess I'll be making my own with the same concept. Does anyone know if he even plays anymore? Seems like he hasn't been active in FFXI for over a year, from what I see on FFXI AH. I'd love to give him credit for the layout and stuff, if he wasn't so opposed to people editing it.

[sleekmotorwurkz]

Chart is coming along nicely... but have you guys been to Aden's website for the chart? He has this at the bottom of the page:



lol? Not seeing how any of that would hold up in a court of law, counting his chart is based on a preexisting intellectual property he doesn't own. Sooooo, since I have to change the images since I don't have the original sources, and he's so opposed to people editing his chart, I guess I'll be making my own with the same concept. Does anyone know if he even plays anymore? Seems like he hasn't been active in FFXI for over a year, from what I see on FFXI AH.

If we are unable to contact him, i dont see the harm. His chart is well known data anyway, so as long as you dont use the exact same pics as him, its nothing that you couldnt get from wiki-ing the ws properties. As long as you dont sell it XD

[Gunslinger]

I'm going to email him, we'll see what I get back!

[Cream Soda]

lol PM it my way as well

[Zhais]

re-make it, but smaller and without annoying distracting background images

Probably hard what with blu spells and pup and all, but I miss my sc chart that fit on one page

[Seraph]

re-make it, but smaller and without annoying distracting background images

Probably hard what with blu spells and pup and all, but I miss my sc chart that fit on one page

I actually liked the background images with the colors because based on color I could quickly tie together 3+ WS skillchains. I usually never remember what elements are contained in the level 2 SCs, so the color coding was always helpful. Plus, it looked cool. >.>

[Gunslinger]

Chart is almost done, I'm taking the comments into consideration. I emailed Aden, but haven't heard anything back yet about using his model. Oh well, if he wants me to take it down / change it we can talk about it after! Chart coming soonish :3

[Gunslinger]

Sorry to be riding your thread Psymia, but it seems like the place to post it!

Here's a revised copy of Aden's chart. Feel free to tell me what to do to improve it, I did a few things already:

-Crammed it all into a single page (you can scale it down to print for a high-resolution finish, depending on what you print with)
-Standardized weapon type names (he had spear + polearm)
-Added Mythic WS's in Italics, with Job under categories according to what sleekmotorwurkz posted.
-Background "squares" for easy identification, simple vector-art for elements
-Added elemental properties to Level 2 SC's in the top part where Aden had omitted them
-Added elemental properties to "Light" and "Darkness"
-Added PUP icons for PUP model that will use required WS

If you see any typos or mistakes let me know! Now that I have a master AI file it should be easy to update. Hopefully Aden is okay with the new chart, he didn't get back to me yet :3

Few ideas I have are lightening some backgrounds to make it a bit easier to read, maybe making some of the level 3 SC text smaller to fit it in the top better. But in any case, the chart is usable.

If this should be its own thread or someone wants to move it, feel free!

[Tempyst]

Sorry to be riding your thread Psymia, but it seems like the place to post it!

Here's a revised copy of Aden's chart. Feel free to tell me what to do to improve it, I did a few things already:

-Crammed it all into a single page (you can scale it down to print for a high-resolution finish, depending on what you print with)
-Standardized weapon type names (he had spear + polearm)
-Added Mythic WS's in Italics, with Job under categories according to what sleekmotorwurkz posted.
-Background "squares" for easy identification, simple vector-art for elements
-Added elemental properties to Level 2 SC's in the top part where Aden had omitted them
-Added elemental properties to "Light" and "Darkness"
-Added PUP icons for PUP model that will use required WS

If you see any typos or mistakes let me know! Now that I have a master AI file it should be easy to update. Hopefully Aden is okay with the new chart, he didn't get back to me yet :3

Few ideas I have are lightening some backgrounds to make it a bit easier to read, maybe making some of the level 3 SC text smaller to fit it in the top better. But in any case, the chart is usable.

If this should be its own thread or someone wants to move it, feel free!

That looks great! Definitely my new goto chart

[Seraph]

[New Skillchain Chart]

Content wise, I like it. the only thing I feel is lacking is color in the top right, where the level 3 skillchains are set up. Can you add some sort of swirly dual colored icons (representing the two elements) behind the level 2 skillchain arrows? That would be mint.

[Jkun]

Very good.

However level 71+ (Skill 245) PUP WSs are as follows:

(Harlequin/Stormwaker) Magic Mortar <-> Dragon Kick = Light, I believe it's on the Fusion side, as it makes Gravitation when Stringing Pummel closes and Light when Dragon kick opens and closes.
(Sharpshot) Armor Piercer <-> Tachi Gekko = Darkness, It also has the same properties as Stringing Pummel (on the left side of Darkness), and can SC with SAM's Gekko.
(Valoredge) Stringing Pummel > Bone Crusher = Fragmentation, I believe it's on the left side of the Light section. Not too sure about this as I hardly use it but iirc it can't SC worth crap except Distortion?

Armor Piercer and Magic Mortar are definatly worth listing though.

[Gunslinger]

Awesome, thanks for the info Jkun, I knew there had to be something up there but wasn't sure. Updated the chart:

-Pup Level3 SC moves added
-'Beautiful' rainbow background for level 3 SCs! (hey, it represents all the elemental colors, what do you want from me!?)
-Minor touch-ups / standardization

[sedna]

I might have missed it, and it's minor, but Blade: Metsu fits in the Fragmentation section on the tier 3's. I.e. Blade: Metsu > Tachi: Kasha = light etc. Just thought I'd point that out ;x Looks good though ^^v Nice to have a new chart to refer to.