No Party > Slow Party

[HAcoreRD]

Call me simple minded, stupid, or whatever you want. In this day and age, there's no need for a slow party when the zones are hardly packed.
At this age, melee burns are tops, granted if you are a melee class, you're another chip in the pile, you shouldn't need to get invited to a group that's fucking 3k an hour without xp band. This is expected in Bibiki Bay, or whatever pre-TOA zone your team goes to, and this is a foreseeable consequence, but I'm tired of the stupid idea of Slow > No.

Slow Party- Get 3k-5k an hour at best. Providing your team is good on down time, piss breaks, links, and you're probably running the old school Tank, Healer, Support and 3 Melee squad aren't you?

No party- Make gil, camp NMs, do chores, or whatever to pass time, Craft, Besieged (If it's ironically there), or get invited to a better party. Yeah they got 3k an hour X4 hours. 12k. you were doing 8K for 2 1/2, and your on your way to another party after out exping them in less.

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I'm simply lost BG. Why is it so many bad groups exist. Like the ones where they milk the T-VT Imps...and they didn't amnesia the melees yet, their WS damage is just short of Laugh and a step above crap. I saw today something rare in a ToA group to me.... the old ass saying "In what order shall we do our weapon skills?" Last I remember ToA was the TP-Ejaculate era. Fucking doing Light, Distortion, whatever unless it happens by mistake, dump the WS, hell SA or TA for extra too; it's no good I get to hit 300 TP with Sobero and my party insists I wait while joe Great axe is at 83% TP wiffing the air with his metal on a pole.

The only solution I found to these is flat out leave. No, don't get a rep, why doom another poor bastard out there unless it's someone you absolutely hate. Me? I personally enjoy the [X] button. When you're too tired to put up with this shit. Close, go play some Team Fortress 2 and come back later.

I'm open to disagreement, but to me, No beats Slow.

[Zarath]

I'd have to agree with you, bare minimum for me is at least 10k/hour, bare minimum (so maybe I'm a COR and get to be picky XD).

When I agree to a party, I expect people to know what to do, be at least functionally geared and can chain somewhat. When I XP, I try my best and try to have the best gear I can get, and I don't spend my money, which is a lot when lvling COR <<, to just end up in a 5k/hour xp party (though the likelihood of me dying is said party is pretty high <<). Why should I spend my ammo, my shushi/meat, my cards on said party if the team is flawed in some way, be it gear wise, set up wise or just location wise.

I'm sick and tired of the ghetto war, ghetto sam, ghetto w/e, while I'm there wasting my gil on my own damage, there's just no reason to be gimp or w/e.

[Plow]

I don't think it's humanly possible to get under 8k/hr in toau zones at this point.

[KimimaroKun]

I have ran into this EXACT same problem. You tell people we should be getting at LEAST 8k a hour and they make you into a Elitist/Whiner/Cold hearted Bastard. In this day and time with TOAU if you are 70-75 and not making 10k a hour it just isn't worth it, it's just so damn easy to do if you are even halfway decent at your job. It's a better use of your time to do other things and or look for a decent party. There are just SOOOOO many shitty parties as of late. Sad thing is I have ended up getting better EXP with a smart group consisting of PLD WHM DRK DRG THF RDM than I did in several TP-Burn style parties where no one knew their ass from a hole in the ground.

It's sad and I can completely relate.

I don't think it's humanly possible to get under 8k/hr in toau zones at this point.

It is, trust me... Some how... Some how they manage to pull it off. It makes baby jesus cry

[Khamsin]

BUT GUYZ, XP IS XP!

[HAcoreRD]

I don't think it's humanly possible to get under 8k/hr in toau zones at this point.

I had a 9,700 party earlier than a 2,300 party off Mamool by the BC by staging point.

unacceptable

[Luto]

My questions is, how come whenever someone can't find a BRD/COR and we're 5/6 dd dd dd dd rdm, why does the leader always get a second rdm >_>?

Follow up question: In these said parties why is it still impossible for me to get a fucking haste?

[Zilong]

Nowadays, I just mentally torment everyone that's in my substandard party.

It makes the shitty exp bearable when you pisses them off, and if they boot you, then you're in better shape than you were.

You're not looking for repeat invites from those morons, so feel free to treat them as the subhuman piece of shit that they probably are...trust me, your friends and LS members will thank you for not ranting in /tell and /l.

[Tiernin]

Team Fortress 2 and come back later.

This is the best option

[Scorp]

I'm currently leveling thf in the mid 60's so far I've had about 5 invites that when I respond tell me sorry didn't mean to invite you etc. I'm assuming a war/nin suddenly popped.

At first I just laughed and carried on soloing, I can get around 4-5k an hour with my alt char pl'ing me so it isn't a big deal. Yesterday I decided to lay into the pld that invited me, bit of a guilt trip and told him I'd remember his name when he was trying to get past 71 and a better job just happened to appear on the invite list.

He invited me, we rolled up to Mount Zhylaom pld war thf blm whm brd, should be pretty set as all 64 or 65. Pld leader says, what are we going to fight, having brought us to a zone because other people of the same level were here. warning sign #1..

It took around an hour to move from whitegate to camp. 1 person didn't have the staging point and the other couldn't leave it due to assault orders. No one had maps to get to camp and people aggro'd as they tried to move through the zone.

After about an hour or so of a whm/smn using ramuh to melee, in favour of regen's and haste for melee. A blm that kept alt tabbing out of the game for whatever reason, (without windower). We had amassed a supreme 5k an hour,

I am now quite comfortable with No Party > Pick up party. There is too much risk in accepting an invite now a days. If the party turns out to be good and I rejected it I'm still getting all the k seals and can afk when I want and relax.

[CGB]

I've had some terrible parties lately on my RNG. my last party was about 1k per hour, nope, sadly I'm not exaggerating at all. when I said I think we should disband I got the usual "......why??" "i'm happy, some exp is better than no exp" "fine, go stare at your moogle!", etc

I can actually only think of one or two times I've got over 7k/hr in the new zones... am I just really unlucky or what? every time we have to wait 30mins-1hr because some idiot doesn't have the staging point, or we have stupid set ups like blm/whm/rdm/smn/pld/rng (again, not exaggerating), it makes me want to give up levelling anything ever again...

[Saraphym]

Pld leader says, what are we going to fight, having brought us to a zone because other people of the same level were here. warning sign #1..

This made me lol, because I typically see this alot also, and it always mean insta-fail. I cannot stand PT leaders who ask "Where does everyone wanna go?" or "What are we fighting?" dumb shit like that. As a PT leader you should know what job setup is best for what camp. You should also check for open camps, and plan shit out beforehand, making sure people have access, etc. While understandable for lower levels, 60+ this kind of shit is unacceptable, I would just leave and agree no party > stupid slow retarded party.

[Gippo]

/nod at everything thats been said. retards are everywhere, but....

dont mean to derail, but since its pt dynamics, ever wonder why JP shout in all jp, and english shout in <tab> for bcnms and pts?

[chapstick]

ever wonder why JP shout in all jp

because they think they are too good for NA's

and english shout in <tab> for bcnms and pts?

because we don't mind doing things with JP, and because we're lazy.

[Saraphym]

/nod at everything thats been said. retards are everywhere, but....

dont mean to derail, but since its pt dynamics, ever wonder why JP shout in all jp, and english shout in <tab> for bcnms and pts?

tbh if I was jp, i'd try to stick to doing shit with jp onry too. Feels like their dipshit to competent player ratio is way better than the english speaking community, though I have seen some pretty loljp players as well. I still remember back when players would get invited into jp parties, like in 04, and everyone would /l OMG IM IN A JP PT RIGHT NOW, HI2U GODLY EXP LOLZ.

[Gadritan]

nah, jps have just as many idiots as us. but do you want to try to communicate with that idiot with tab key onry? it's hard enough to explain to a retard how to get to camp when you speak the same language...much less try explaining that to a retard who also has nfc what you're saying.

[Arnwulf]

As a 75 pld / 75 drg, I take pretty much whatever xp I can get lol.

[Zosi]

tbh if I was jp, i'd try to stick to doing shit with jp onry too. Feels like their dipshit to competent player ratio is way better than the english speaking community, though I have seen some pretty loljp players as well. I still remember back when players would get invited into jp parties, like in 04, and everyone would /l OMG IM IN A JP PT RIGHT NOW, HI2U GODLY EXP LOLZ.

In my experience as a BRD, someone who has been in more than his fair share of "JP ONRY" parties because JPs seem to make exceptions for NA BRDs... "JP ONRY" parties are only viewed as less full of dipshits because you can't tell that they're dipshits based on what they say, since you can't understand most of it.

Most of the "JP ONRY" parties I've been in ranged from average to crappy, including stuff like WHM RDM BRD SMN PLD DRG setups, parties disbanding 15 minutes after getting to camp because a DD has to go to lunch, 2k an hour fighting low VTs in non-ToAU areas because someone DIDN'T OWN THE EXP PACK AT 65.

[NynJa]

soloing tonberry elementalsat 5k/hr with ring...just because its probably better than what I'd get in an xp pt.

Last party I had was pulling around 5k/hr, with THREE powerlevels. The only reason xp went that high was because the blm would chain nuke every mob to death at 75%. If the melee's werent so inept and we had a good camp, we could have easily pulled in 8k/hr, without breaking a sweat.


I only wish these smn mobs would continue to summon like the aerns in sea do, so I could just keep one slept with my alt instead of having to MGS pulls.

[Saraphym]

tbh if I was jp, i'd try to stick to doing shit with jp onry too. Feels like their dipshit to competent player ratio is way better than the english speaking community, though I have seen some pretty loljp players as well. I still remember back when players would get invited into jp parties, like in 04, and everyone would /l OMG IM IN A JP PT RIGHT NOW, HI2U GODLY EXP LOLZ.

In my experience as a BRD, someone who has been in more than his fair share of "JP ONRY" parties because JPs seem to make exceptions for NA BRDs... "JP ONRY" parties are only viewed as less full of dipshits because you can't tell that they're dipshits based on what they say, since you can't understand most of it.

Most of the "JP ONRY" parties I've been in ranged from average to crappy, including stuff like WHM RDM BRD SMN PLD DRG setups, parties disbanding 15 minutes after getting to camp because a DD has to go to lunch, 2k an hour fighting low VTs in non-ToAU areas because someone DIDN'T OWN THE EXP PACK AT 65.

I guess experience varies with people, because the shit you described I've experienced with NAs far more than jps. But as I've stated in my in my original post, I've seen my share of bad jp players also. Simply saying in MY experience, there tends to be less shitty jp player than the average shitty na player. I guess the experience would range probably from server to server also.
On another note, I could care less what people are saying, I judge moreso on actions when it comes to player skill, I mean unless it's seriously wtf (see http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Gprime).