No Party > Slow Party

[Luto]

JP Ridills use Bomb Core, NQ Amemet, TP in warwolf belt and wear SH. True story.

[Alibeemac]

Party I was in in the Mire today on my 71 DRG was 6k an hr. Was it a bad pt with bad people? Absolutely not. When we actually had mobs to fight we killed them so quickly the mob sometimes didn't get a tp move off. Your comment about zones being hardly packed therefore no excuse for slow parties doesn't ring true on Lakshmi. Maybe it is the case on your server however here there were 103 people exping in the Mire yesterday, 70+ today and yesterday we ended up in Bibiki Bay gettting 4k an hr because there was just no where else to go. Even Bibiki Bay had 6 parties yesterday. Sometimes yes there are horrid parties but sometimes slow parties are not the parties fault but just down to the sheer lack of mobs to fight.

[Saraphym]

Party I was in in the Mire today on my 71 DRG was 6k an hr. Was it a bad pt with bad people? Absolutely not. When we actually had mobs to fight we killed them so quickly the mob sometimes didn't get a tp move off. Your comment about zones being hardly packed therefore no excuse for slow parties doesn't ring true on Lakshmi. Maybe it is the case on your server however here there were 103 people exping in the Mire yesterday, 70+ today and yesterday we ended up in Bibiki Bay gettting 4k an hr because there was just no where else to go. Even Bibiki Bay had 6 parties yesterday. Sometimes yes there are horrid parties but sometimes slow parties are not the parties fault but just down to the sheer lack of mobs to fight.

xp areas are generally more packed on weekends in my experience. are the numbers the same on weekdays?

[Cadsuane]

Sometimes I get the foolish idea to do a public service and try smacking the stupid out of the KI DRG forums. This particular subject actually came up on this topic:

http://ffxi.killvoid.com/forums.php?...&q=161671&d=90

So, funny bit of providence that it came up here too. I don't get it, really. It doesn't make any sense to say it's more productive to join an unproductive party, but besides that it's just too goddamn boring to tolerate sitting around for two hours of an afternoon in a mediocre party.

[Alibeemac]

Party I was in in the Mire today on my 71 DRG was 6k an hr. Was it a bad pt with bad people? Absolutely not. When we actually had mobs to fight we killed them so quickly the mob sometimes didn't get a tp move off. Your comment about zones being hardly packed therefore no excuse for slow parties doesn't ring true on Lakshmi. Maybe it is the case on your server however here there were 103 people exping in the Mire yesterday, 70+ today and yesterday we ended up in Bibiki Bay gettting 4k an hr because there was just no where else to go. Even Bibiki Bay had 6 parties yesterday. Sometimes yes there are horrid parties but sometimes slow parties are not the parties fault but just down to the sheer lack of mobs to fight.

xp areas are generally more packed on weekends in my experience. are the numbers the same on weekdays?

With the Mire it is always hell trying to find a camp and there is usually 6+ Parties there anytime I go. Thickets is rare to find an open camp too but usually there is a non 75 pt at MMJSP zone killing really slow and a merit pt can go in there and take over the camp np which is usually what happens. Nyzle Isle birds can sometimes have 2 parties per bird camp and everyone fights over pulls. Maybe it is the time I exp at but it is rare for me to go to a zone and find hardly anyone in it.

[NynJa]

People should never bring merit parties to Mire, ever. Leave it for ppl who are duo/trioing, lv 70 parties or blu's.

[Aurara]

People should never bring merit parties to Mire, ever. Leave it for ppl who are duo/trioing, lv 70 parties or blu's.

This is so true.

[Zarath]

xp areas are generally more packed on weekends in my experience. are the numbers the same on weekdays?

No weekday meriting is my prime meriting time, 2 reasons:
1) All camps are pretty open.
2) Less likelihood of getting totally shitty player, but not fool proof ._.

For full camps, have you tried your hand on Nyzul Isle top camp? Usually on my server that camp is empty and it's pretty good xp, chaining can be a bit of trouble since lurkers fuck em up, outside of that it's really good xp with a good team.

[Zilong]

People should never bring merit parties to Mire, ever. Leave it for ppl who are duo/trioing, lv 70 parties or blu's.

Could just used Hediva Isle for that...

[Airenn]

I'd have to agree with you, bare minimum for me is at least 10k/hour, bare minimum (so maybe I'm a COR and get to be picky XD).

Bare minimum for me is 20k... But that's uber-bitch-picky. I luck out as a RDM and BRD, but when it comes to my melee, I find the people I know/LS/RidillWAR/BBMNK/EBodyMelee/etcetc.

But, that being said, I'll make that party rarely, set up camp at empty birds, exp for 4 hours, which leads to 8merits and I'm good on merits for a bit. ^^b

On topic to the OP, yea, fuck slow parties. Seriously no > slow. I hold that to lowbie parties, too. You know those... really bad ones. Just not worth it when you're falling asleep or getting pissed off, ahaha.

@ Luto: Heh, as a RDM I would refuse to party with 5 melee as the only healer(maybe on birds, fuck no to mamool tho, that shit can be hard enough with 4melee, brd, rdm), so I don't know what ELSE you would get unless you went with dbl rdms or whms. And if you do that and still aren't getting haste, then yea, there's something wrong.

@Gippo: Sometimes, when they do their little JP shouts, I send them a /tell asking if they need help of a 75 RDM just to find out what they are doing. I've helped a few JP's like that on WAR AF, it's how I got my first Lamia13 done, ENM's (THOSE were interesting, hehe), etc. But sometimes I say, no, too, I was just wondering what they were doing. >.>;

@Cad: ALL DRG's should be forced to lvl /whm or /rdm and party with other DRG's only. To be fair, I saw a DRG, DRG, MNK, BRD/NIN, some other melee, think it was another MNK and another job that wasn't a healer possibly second BRD. That's 6 people, no healer, Bard was pulling nearly as fast as us. It made my jaw drop, I hadn't seen or heard of DRG parties before, so I was fuckin' stunned. That shit was crazy, aha.

[Woozie]

I saw today something rare in a ToA group to me.... the old ass saying "In what order shall we do our weapon skills?"

Wow, I haven't heard anyone say that in an exp party in years....

/nod at everything thats been said. retards are everywhere, but....

dont mean to derail, but since its pt dynamics, ever wonder why JP shout in all jp, and english shout in <tab> for bcnms and pts?

I think it's related to the fact that most JPs can speak or at least understand much of the English language, whereas most English players can't understand a lick of Japanese.

Overall, JPs tend to be more competent than NAs, so I don't think this has anything to do with the whole "JP > EN" thing that used to go on a few years ago.

[NynJa]

People should never bring merit parties to Mire, ever. Leave it for ppl who are duo/trioing, lv 70 parties or blu's.

Could just used Hediva Isle for that...

People can use flies as a filler for when imps arent up. Cant say the same about soulflayers (nor would you want to really).

[shihei]

but at 20k a staff/cape....who wouldn't!

[Luto]

@ Luto: Heh, as a RDM I would refuse to party with 5 melee as the only healer(maybe on birds, fuck no to mamool tho, that shit can be hard enough with 4melee, brd, rdm), so I don't know what ELSE you would get unless you went with dbl rdms or whms. And if you do that and still aren't getting haste, then yea, there's something wrong.

It was more of "why even bother exping?" than "5 melee would be better!".

[Saraphym]

@ Luto: Heh, as a RDM I would refuse to party with 5 melee as the only healer(maybe on birds, fuck no to mamool tho, that shit can be hard enough with 4melee, brd, rdm), so I don't know what ELSE you would get unless you went with dbl rdms or whms. And if you do that and still aren't getting haste, then yea, there's something wrong.

god forbid you invite a smn right?

[Deftscythe]

I already posted this in the media section, but it applies. Back story: this guy is a Sam asking me to replace him in merits.

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/3...8150713dl9.png

4 Pups and a Bst, Great merits... OR GREATEST MERITS?!

[Luto]

@ Luto: Heh, as a RDM I would refuse to party with 5 melee as the only healer(maybe on birds, fuck no to mamool tho, that shit can be hard enough with 4melee, brd, rdm), so I don't know what ELSE you would get unless you went with dbl rdms or whms. And if you do that and still aren't getting haste, then yea, there's something wrong.

god forbid you invite a smn right?

It may just be me, but I rarely even lfp anymore. I just /sea all inv 75 every few minutes and if a BRD and RDM are seeking, I start a party. DDs are easy to get. If no there's no BRD/COR lfp, I don't set up the party and I go without exp. Someone else can take the 6k/hr parties and exp 10 times as much as me and get more merits. When it comes down to it, I don't have to sit through those parties, and the gil I use on consumables is better spent in my at least 15k/hr parties compared to grinning and bearing it through countless 6k/hr parties.

[BRP]

You can get 10k+ exp without a BRD easy.

For that matter, tank, BLM, and SC parties can get 10k+ exp.

6k an hour is sucking on purpose.

[Saraphym]

I think people have this misconception merit parties are either crazy pwnurfuckingface 20k/hr or wtfNQlolpup 5k/hr parties. Honestly I've been in decent 8-9k/hr parties without a brd where everyone does their job and its enjoyable. Is it the best party ever? No. but it's seriously not that bad and I'd take it over logging on and lfp for 2-3hrs. So for me, no party > slow party holds true, but decent party > no party.

[Keston]

XP is the easiest thing to get, if you know how/where etc. Generally, I'll do a quick search to see what's seeking, then do a search in the area(s) I'd like to exp (5-10 levels above and below). If an area is packed, I won't bother right then and will try later. So yea, no party can be > slow party.

I've taken BST 6 to 59 in the last couple of weeks (mostly xp parties), and every other job even the ones people say are hard to xp without a problem. A red mage actually turned down a party invite today, saying "I don't party with BST, they can't DD". Some people think inside a box, and it holds them back. Get enough of these kinds around, and in your party, and you can go alot slower than you would finding creative ways to get it done no matter what. An example is, getting a SMN with Fenrir's accuracy bonus if you can't find a bard or corsair. May not be as good, but it still gets the job done in a decent way.

Preventing slow exp can take some planning, from searching before, to making sure your setup is geared to rape whatever you plan to kill.

Tho I really wish people would search areas before they made new parties and rolled in to an already packed area. Fudges xp for everyone, and wastes alot of time/food.