To All WHM's with Gullintani-Mjollnir Club

[whackwhackwhm]

I would like to ask my fellow whm's who currently holds a Gullintani or Mjollnir to band together and maybe petition SE to make the club more significant in terms of its use.

Here are a few ideas I have in mind:

- Make the club have +7 club skill bonus.

- Add +10% Cure potency.

- Critical Hit Rate Adjustment

- Add significant barspell bonus. Maybe +50 to +75.

- Maybe auto-refresh that stacks with other refresh


Please feel free to add your ideas or discuss the pros and cons of the ones stated above.

[Thevaultdweller]

Allow it to be traded in for an Aegis.

[Obev]

Allow it to be traded in for a Gjallarhorn.

Non-Aegis/Gjalla relics are toys; I wouldn't expect anything out of Mjollnir asides from some serious e-peen hexa strikes and some Thor-inspired macros.

All your ideas, OP, are already present on other pieces of gear. Your idealised Mjollnir would be the hideous bastard child of a torque, two maces, a pair of pantaloons and a tunic.

[spooky]

You knew what you were getting when you spent millions upon millions getting it, not to mention the countless effort and time of your linkshell; it’s not SE’s fault if
you’re not happy with it.

I also suspect the 3 relic club holder’s cries for better stats will get over shadowed by all the Zammers requests for more Chocobo orientated content.

[Kriz]

If you add non melee related stats to the best damage dealing club, what are you trying to accomplish?

It's not like you are going to be main healer if you are wielding one, you'd need to be decked out in melee gear.

[Rena]

Pester SE to raise club skill to A+ instead. And higher damage ratings on existing clubs. I estimate we need around 20k people to do it for it to happen, so get to it!

Sorry, your ideas aren't going to happen.

[vegetaa]

I also suspect the 3 relic club holder’s cries for better stats will get over shadowed by all the Zammers requests for more Chocobo orientated content.

You just pinpointed the one and only reason why the game sucks in so many ways :/

Don't get me wrong, I still love it and still play it though ^^

[Izzy]

If you add non melee related stats to the best damage dealing club, what are you trying to accomplish?

It's not like you are going to be main healer if you are wielding one, you'd need to be decked out in melee gear.

This is exactly what I was thinking. The only change I'd like to see to WHM is to either have:

A) WHM club skill raised to A or A+
or
B) WHM club damage receives the same change that 2h weapons received. (STR=ATK DEX=ACC)

Why would you want mage stats on a weapon that you've obviously gotten to melee with?

[levish]

why would you play whitemage if you wanted to be a dd? Honest question

[fantasticdan]

This is exactly what I was thinking. The only change I'd like to see to WHM is to either have:

A) WHM club skill raised to A or A+
or
B) WHM club damage receives the same change that 2h weapons received. (STR=ATK DEX=ACC)

Why would you want mage stats on a weapon that you've obviously gotten to melee with?

Why would you want melee stats on a job you've obviously gotten to cure with?

[Isiolia]

Obviously it's a WHM-focused post, but still, why consider this in a vaccum?

If WHM skill was boosted to A-A+, then what about RDM, BRD, SMN, BLM, etc that lack an A-ranked melee skill as well?

Likewise, what about non-melee benefits to relics they can use?

Relic is the best DD club, for what it's worth. Mandau's the best dagger. Doesn't mean a RDM is going to make great use out of one of those either.

[Delekii]

Relics SHOULD be more relevant to mages, as it stands there is almost no reason for a mage to get a relic beyond Gjallahorn. Club should have given cure potency, staff should have given MAB/-perpetuation, and they still should be given those relevent stats. Even equal with what is now available would be fine - 10% cure potency for Club, 15% damage/-3 perpetuation for staff. Finally, they are worth getting for the actual purpose of each actual job, not WORSE than the real options.

[Izzy]

why would you play whitemage if you wanted to be a dd? Honest question

It wasn't an intention to want to melee on it. I eventually saw I could get more +haste gear than any other melee job, couple that with the fact that Hexa Strike is a really damn good WS. It was something I wanted to try out, and it's fun. I never really understood why people such as yourself have to make comments like that? Do I go around saying, "why did you level THF if you wanted to be a dd when you're clearly just being invited for TH."? Have you even seen a WHM melee that has decent gear? I've said it before, I'm not claiming that WHM can be a ridill WAR, but it's better than a mediocre WAR, pimped out PUP, or a decent geared NIN.

Would suggest to you to try it before you knock it.

[Luftiig]

why would you play whitemage if you wanted to be a dd? Honest question

It wasn't an intention to want to melee on it. I eventually saw I could get more +haste gear than any other melee job, couple that with the fact that Hexa Strike is a really damn good WS. It was something I wanted to try out, and it's fun. I never really understood why people such as yourself have to make comments like that? Do I go around saying, "why did you level THF if you wanted to be a dd when you're clearly just being invited for TH."? Have you even seen a WHM melee that has decent gear? I've said it before, I'm not claiming that WHM can be a ridill WAR, but it's better than a mediocre WAR, pimped out PUP, or a decent geared NIN.

Would suggest to you to try it before you knock it.

Whats your whm melee gear like? I am a galka whm and being one I melee alot(not in pts) I just enjoy going to Xarc solo and fightin shadowdragon or going to Bhaflau and fightin some colibri. I doubt that I come close to beating a mediocre war or a pimped out pup or a decent geared nin. The only way Id think that be viable is with kraken+relic war sub max merits top gear including HQs etc etc.
Concering the relic I think that it wouldnt be the first relic id want to get or event think of investing, but yeah SE should add more mage based stats to it. SHOULD being the keyword.

EDIT: to answer levish question, I have other DD jobs so Im gonna say I did it for the lulz

[levish]

why would you play whitemage if you wanted to be a dd? Honest question

It wasn't an intention to want to melee on it. I eventually saw I could get more +haste gear than any other melee job, couple that with the fact that Hexa Strike is a really damn good WS. It was something I wanted to try out, and it's fun. I never really understood why people such as yourself have to make comments like that? Do I go around saying, "why did you level THF if you wanted to be a dd when you're clearly just being invited for TH."? Have you even seen a WHM melee that has decent gear? I've said it before, I'm not claiming that WHM can be a ridill WAR, but it's better than a mediocre WAR, pimped out PUP, or a decent geared NIN.

Would suggest to you to try it before you knock it.

I can understand wanting to thwack things, and Whm's can thwack anything pretty decently geared for damage dealing (I'm not talking XP mobs). I assure you a white mage meleeing is no where near even a mediocre AH war, pimped out PUP (and not sucky player) or decent AH nin.

THwhoring is a fairly passive ability as long as you are on the hate list, it's active so that leaves DD, even their hate management is a sore issue nowadays which was at best questionable before the 2h update.

What will the War/Sam/Drk ... (and so on) do since the relic club owners now want to dd?

Obviously /whm invest in MND gear and wear light staves no? Maybe We'll get some +30% cure potency +500mp Daggers to help thief/whitemage along the long roads that they travel compared to mages.

[Niiro]

Relics SHOULD be more relevant to mages, as it stands there is almost no reason for a mage to get a relic beyond Gjallahorn. Club should have given cure potency, staff should have given MAB/-perpetuation, and they still should be given those relevent stats. Even equal with what is now available would be fine - 10% cure potency for Club, 15% damage/-3 perpetuation for staff. Finally, they are worth getting for the actual purpose of each actual job, not WORSE than the real options.

I agree with this completely.

Mage relics should be mage-focused.

ie: Claustrum shouldn't have ACC+20, should have MAB+20, MACC+20, INT+10 and refresh effect.
(It should probably have more than +20 to make it out-do staves by a more significant margin, was just using 20 to contrast the ACC)
Mjollnir shouldn't have ATK+20, should have Cure potency +20%, enmity -10, MND+10 and refresh effect.

Relics should help a job do their actual job not to play with while soloing.

[souleman]

Relics should help a job do their actual job

You can say that about any relic besides Horn and shield....

[Izzy]

why would you play whitemage if you wanted to be a dd? Honest question

It wasn't an intention to want to melee on it. I eventually saw I could get more +haste gear than any other melee job, couple that with the fact that Hexa Strike is a really damn good WS. It was something I wanted to try out, and it's fun. I never really understood why people such as yourself have to make comments like that? Do I go around saying, "why did you level THF if you wanted to be a dd when you're clearly just being invited for TH."? Have you even seen a WHM melee that has decent gear? I've said it before, I'm not claiming that WHM can be a ridill WAR, but it's better than a mediocre WAR, pimped out PUP, or a decent geared NIN.

Would suggest to you to try it before you knock it.

I can understand wanting to thwack things, and Whm's can thwack anything pretty decently geared for damage dealing (I'm not talking XP mobs). I assure you a white mage meleeing is no where near even a mediocre AH war, pimped out PUP (and not sucky player) or decent AH nin.

THwhoring is a fairly passive ability as long as you are on the hate list, it's active so that leaves DD, even their hate management is a sore issue nowadays which was at best questionable before the 2h update.

What will the War/Sam/Drk ... (and so on) do since the relic club owners now want to dd?

Obviously /whm invest in MND gear and wear light staves no? Maybe We'll get some +30% cure potency +500mp Daggers to help thief/whitemage along the long roads that they travel compared to mages.

This is wrong, and I will post parses if you would like.

*EDIT*

It would be nice if you did some research before you make such bold statements.

[Sylphet]

I don't actually think that any WHM who has a relic club actually got it because they want to main heal with it. It's clearly not designed for that.

Would it have been nice for SE to make relic stats more appropriate (for lack of a better word) to the function of the jobs associated with it? Yeah. But they didn't. Hence, mage relics are toys for meleeing.

For better or for worse, SE in their wisdom decided to make relic weapons to be, for the most part mediocre improvements over their non-relic counterparts. They got it a bit better for shield and horn. I wish that SE was better with the effort to reward ratio with some of their gear, but it is what it is.

However imagine this scenario: There are no elemental staffs. There is no Templar Mace. The only way for a WHM to get an extra 10% on cures is to try to get a relic club that has this. The only way for a BLM to get extra MAB and Macc is to get a relic staff. This makes it inaccessible to the overwhelming majority of players. Sometimes I think that people forget just how game breaking elemental staffs are compared to other items in the game. Imagine if you will, an item that gave melees a 10%/15% increase in damage. People would be crying "game's broken" all over the place.

Personally I wish that relics were more than they are. For the effort it takes to get one, they should all be game breaking.

As a Gjallarhorn owner though I will say that my relic is broken. I didn't think that it would change gameplay as much as it ended up doing. The reality of it is that pretty much any fight is faster and smoother since we got one in the shell. Everyone ends up benefiting from it, either directly or indirectly. It's also made me miss playing all of my other jobs

[Izzy]

It's also made me miss playing all of my other jobs

This is why I never leveled bard Q_Q. I feel bad for you lol.