To All WHM's with Gullintani-Mjollnir Club

[Zosi]

The only WHM on my server that has that weapon has maats cap also. When I saw that i just thought what a idiot. But hey people get relic for the job they love most but i dont see the point of a maats cap owner to get one of the weakest relic weapon.

For once, I actually agree with you 100%.

[Leroy]

I dont have the parses, but I still remember reading Kclub beating Apoc for zerg even with hundred scythes. Not to mention you cant just "hundred scythes" every 4 min 10 seconds because true hundred scythes requires soul voice marches (doesnt it?). If you are talking about just stacking march/haste/haste gear/hasso/desperate blows, then yes, you can access the "zerg potential" alot more, though w/o the SE/BW your damage will be about 50% of its potential. This discussion is about specific highest zerg potential, which with just SE/BW alone (you can still get alot of HP/haste with kclub and decent acc with feint) your Kclub will out damage your 100 scythes.

Then again, I think this is a "parse it and find out" kind of deal.

The only parse I saw was of some guy doing about 7k more than a KC DRK average. Average was about 450 with spikes over 800. Think the guy's name was Taint. The good thing about Apocalypse for Zerging Is that you won't be completely useless when your hp takes a hit, unlike .

Hundred Scythes is attainable with Apocalypse every 4min 10 seconds without soul voice if you use Haste Belt to cap magic haste and Catastrophe to cap gear haste I believe.


Apocalypse is the All in one weapon for DRK. It Zergs. There is no better weapon to nomal melee with. It's the best weapon for WS power. If you're Soloing, it lowers recasts. Hell it even heals you.

[Izzy]

The only WHM on my server that has that weapon has maats cap also. When I saw that i just thought what a idiot. But hey people get relic for the job they love most but i dont see the point of a maats cap owner to get one of the weakest relic weapon.

Oh ok, next time someone wants to do something that they will have fun with, I'll make sure to have them get a hold of you first...you know...to make sure you approve of their decision.

If they have the money and the means, who the fuck are you to tell them what to do with it?

[Meian]

why would you play whitemage if you wanted to be a dd? Honest question

It wasn't an intention to want to melee on it. I eventually saw I could get more +haste gear than any other melee job, couple that with the fact that Hexa Strike is a really damn good WS. It was something I wanted to try out, and it's fun. I never really understood why people such as yourself have to make comments like that? Do I go around saying, "why did you level THF if you wanted to be a dd when you're clearly just being invited for TH."? Have you even seen a WHM melee that has decent gear? I've said it before, I'm not claiming that WHM can be a ridill WAR, but it's better than a mediocre WAR, pimped out PUP, or a decent geared NIN.

Would suggest to you to try it before you knock it.

There must be a lot of bad PUPs on your server...

[Veli]

The only WHM on my server that has that weapon has maats cap also. When I saw that i just thought what a idiot. But hey people get relic for the job they love most but i dont see the point of a maats cap owner to get one of the weakest relic weapon.

Oh ok, next time someone wants to do something that they will have fun with, I'll make sure to have them get a hold of you first...you know...to make sure you approve of their decision.

If they have the money and the means, who the fuck are you to tell them what to do with it?

I'm not saying don't upgrade club i was just saying for somebody that has all jobs at 75 why would you spend it on a weak weapon to do melee? Why not just get a relic weapon for a melee job instead. With me I really don't have much of a option for relic 75 RDM BLM NIN so I'll get Excalibur . I just think it's a stupid move and thats just my opinion i'm not saying all whms are stupid for getting this weapon but to me a maats cap owner is stupid for getting it lol.

[Sylphet]

How about... we leave relics as they are.

I think that most people agree that the chances of them changing the stats on the preexisting weapons is slim to none. It's not exactly like people were misled when they committed to upgrading one. It's your time, your choice, your gil. Just enjoy the relic! Who gives a shit what people think.

What I think would be a much better approach, with a higher probability of success would be to petition SE to add NEW weapons from new, challenging content. I suppose that Nyzul Isle might have been an attempt at this but... yeah I won't go there. Wouldn't that ultimately be more rewarding than doing dynamis until this game's servers degrade of old age? Seriously, 80% of all AF2 that drops for my shell is effectively rotted. We do dynamis for currency and AF2-1/belts/capes (and even some of that rots) only for the most part. Odin's chamber is a good start actually. Valkyrie's Fork is an amazing polearm that you can only get from a decently challenging sequence of fights. I'm not a huge fan of Einherjar but I think it's a step in the right direction. Provide gear that is REALLY DAMN GOOD that is the reward from a challenging fight or series of fights. I don't think relics need to be "fixed" but I'd absolutely love to see some amazingly kick ass weapons from new events (and yes that certainly includes non-melee stat weapons for mages).

[Neosutra]

How about... we leave relics as they are.

I think that most people agree that the chances of them changing the stats on the preexisting weapons is slim to none. It's not exactly like people were misled when they committed to upgrading one. It's your time, your choice, your gil. Just enjoy the relic! Who gives a shit what people think.

What I think would be a much better approach, with a higher probability of success would be to petition SE to add NEW weapons from new, challenging content. I suppose that Nyzul Isle might have been an attempt at this but... yeah I won't go there. Wouldn't that ultimately be more rewarding than doing dynamis until this game's servers degrade of old age? Seriously, 80% of all AF2 that drops for my shell is effectively rotted. We do dynamis for currency and AF2-1/belts/capes (and even some of that rots) only for the most part. Odin's chamber is a good start actually. Valkyrie's Fork is an amazing polearm that you can only get from a decently challenging sequence of fights. I'm not a huge fan of Einherjar but I think it's a step in the right direction. Provide gear that is REALLY DAMN GOOD that is the reward from a challenging fight or series of fights. I don't think relics need to be "fixed" but I'd absolutely love to see some amazingly kick ass weapons from new events (and yes that certainly includes non-melee stat weapons for mages).

They upped Mandau's base damage when enough people asked for a boost in Thf weapons..

[Sylphet]

iirc, that was part of the complete overhaul of daggers no? So it wasn't a relic-only change. Amanomurakumo became flat out broken with the 2 handed patch. Bravuras are no longer collecting dust. Those were both changes that needed to be made to help balance out the game and the relics were strengthened even more.

But the OP here wasn't asking for the base damage to be upped or for the delay to be decrease. They were asking for a complete and total game breaking change in stats effectively making the club the hand of god. If you want to talk about changing the melee potential of clubs or staves in general, that's a fundamentally different topic from "make my relic useful to the main role of my job".

[Ohemgee]

My guess is that they'll add something a WotG Dynamis-esque thing where you can upgrade another set of weapons, including a more mage-y staff.

[Zarath]

My guess is that they'll add something a WotG Dynamis-esque thing where you can upgrade another set of weapons, including a more COR/BLU/PUP/XXX/XXX/XXX stuff.

Fixed... cause I'm getting impatient ; ;

[Saraphym]

I would like to ask my fellow whm's who currently holds a Gullintani or Mjollnir to band together and maybe petition SE to make the club more significant in terms of its use.

Here are a few ideas I have in mind:

- Make the club have +7 club skill bonus.

- Add +10% Cure potency.

- Critical Hit Rate Adjustment

- Add significant barspell bonus. Maybe +50 to +75.

- Maybe auto-refresh that stacks with other refresh


Please feel free to add your ideas or discuss the pros and cons of the ones stated above.

yea I don't think SE is going to buy it.
we r the whmz that upgrade relic clubs, we r not satisfied. make it bettar, thx.

I think theres alot more shit in this game that needs fixing first than Mjollnir but idk.

[Ohemgee]

My guess is that they'll add something a WotG Dynamis-esque thing where you can upgrade another set of weapons, including a more COR/BLU/PUP/XXX/XXX/XXX stuff.

Fixed... cause I'm getting impatient ; ;

For the most part, most of WotG has nothing to do with COR BLU or PUP.

[whackwhackwhm]

The only WHM on my server that has that weapon has maats cap also. When I saw that i just thought what a idiot. But hey people get relic for the job they love most but i dont see the point of a maats cap owner to get one of the weakest relic weapon.

Oh ok, next time someone wants to do something that they will have fun with, I'll make sure to have them get a hold of you first...you know...to make sure you approve of their decision.

If they have the money and the means, who the fuck are you to tell them what to do with it?

I'm not saying don't upgrade club i was just saying for somebody that has all jobs at 75 why would you spend it on a weak weapon to do melee? Why not just get a relic weapon for a melee job instead. With me I really don't have much of a option for relic 75 RDM BLM NIN so I'll get Excalibur . I just think it's a stupid move and thats just my opinion i'm not saying all whms are stupid for getting this weapon but to me a maats cap owner is stupid for getting it lol.

I'm not saying don't upgrade club i was just saying for somebody that has all jobs at 75 why would you spend it on a weak weapon to do melee? Why not just get a relic weapon for a melee job instead.

If you are asking questions about the WHYs then obviously you dont know why.

I just think it's a stupid move and thats just my opinion i'm not saying all whms are stupid for getting this weapon but to me a maats cap owner is stupid for getting it lol.

You attempted to answer or make an opinion of a question/s that you don't know the WHYs.

Obviously your wisdom to understand why people play this game is beyond your comprehension. So let me quote you again on your own words to emphasize my point.

my opinion...is stupid

[Khamsin]

you don't know the WHYs

Of course he doesn't, that's why he's asking, because it's baffling WHY someone would get mjollner. It makes no sense, and there's no fathomable justification. So if there's a WHY that justifies it and clears everything up (e.g. some sort of hidden -enmity or cure potency or refresh effect), then spit it out.

[Rhinox]

oh shit... Kham you just earned the wrath of Izzy...

[Ryko]

you don't know the WHYs

Of course he doesn't, that's why he's asking, because it's baffling WHY someone would get mjollner. It makes no sense, and there's no fathomable justification. So if there's a WHY that justifies it and clears everything up (e.g. some sort of hidden -enmity or cure potency or refresh effect), then spit it out.

Perfection his white mage robot race.
Building them one mjollnir at a time.

oh shit... Kham you just earned the wrath of Izzy...

What's he gonna do, not enough damage to take down stoneskin?

[Rhinox]

lol

[BRP]

Why? Simple. Their weapons look like the end of Wirve tails. Which are popular.

[Leroy]

Why? Because it's a fucking game and he likes WHM and WHM's style of melee? Seriously, needing someone to justify the reason they're playing their character they way they are in a role playing game, just because it isn't the perfect example of efficiency or leetness, is just fucking stupid.

[Ryko]

Why? Because it's a fucking game and he likes WHM and WHM's style of melee?

I used to like things that didn't exist too, then my mom told me santa wasn't real.