To All WHM's with Gullintani-Mjollnir Club

**Granthis** · 2007-10-18 20:50

I haven't noticed much dependence on the level of the target, but that's very easy to test. I'll play around some with some lowbie mobs and report back if there is interest.

**Swatt** · 2007-10-18 22:13

Originally Posted by Royal

Originally Posted by Swatt

Mjolnir should give +35 agi, +35 dmg, a 20% chance to release a 200 damage chain lightning and a static charge buff that will release a 200 damage lightning on the attacking unit.

Whoa did I just step into wow territory?

DoTA =P

**Leroy** · 2007-10-18 22:27

Fuck, all that typing lost when the power went out as I clicked submit. We'll go with the cliff's notes version then.

Originally Posted by RKenshin

1) Apocalypse isn't the best choice for zerg. Using Catastrophe > switching immediately to Bahamut's Scythe or Kraken Club will result in more damage for most zerg situations. Only possible exceptions being if you're zerging some softy mob where base damage actually means something, but from now on when I refer to a normal zerg situation I'm assuming the mob is pretty damn hard (as any zerg mob usually is). Even then though, pretty sure the higher number of swings triumphs over all.

And, I don't know why you wouldn't go by SE damage, who would ever want to compare KC without SE vs anything. Regardless, continuing:

2) Apocalypse doesn't eat KClub, Apocalypse will at best come close to KClub in a 30 second period under equal conditions on a normally zerged mob (only in damage). KClub will have almost twice as many swings still in the 30 second period, which at ~200-350 a hit does not make up for Apoc hitting harder. And, I swear every person seems to forget that last resort only lasts 30 seconds. In the following 30 seconds after the first, KClub will gain a significant amount of swings over any 2h weapon. Properly healed this results in much more damage.

3) Accuracy/HP arguments don't mean much because if you're zerging a mob, you'd be sure as hell to have Feint on. And it's relatively easy to get ~2.5k HP regardless of the weapon you're using for a good ~300 of pure SE damage.

4) Arguing anything 'eats KClub' in zergs is just silly until you post doing 30-40k on a DL(or equally hard mob) zerg, as it's been shown KClub has a potential of approximately 25k damage in a 60sec zerg on DL. I've neer seen anyone post anything over 22k damage using a 2h weapon.

5) You can't obtain a real Hundred Scythe's speed every 4:10, you have to have double SV March in order to get there. Having double march on without SV is rather inefficient for any situation regardless unless you have two BRDs. But you sure as hell don't have SV on full-time.

1) You are right, BZ is the best zerg weapon if you use Catastrophe then swap it in, of course you still need the Apocalypse for the best damage.

2) I didn't forget Last Resort only lasts 30 seconds, but I'd like to know how you get 350 damage on a KC hit considering the Highest SE damage I can think of is a Galka in full HP/Haste gear, with full hp merits, eating HP food, and getting a 3/3 merited Mantra, while wearing a Souleater enhancement, and that comes to 310 damage.

Since HP varies greatly between races, and is the determining factor of SE damage, you really need to look at it as what's best for each race. Since, in a zerg set up, Apocalypse swings just over 2.4 times for every 4 KC swings (Not considering Sword Strap or DA/TA procs), if Apocalypse does over 40% of your SE damage, Apocalypse will outdo KC in the first 30 seconds.

As for after the initial 30 seconds, Apocalypse slows down drasticly, but the KC damage drops off too because even when cured perfectly, the majority of your hits will still be doing less damage since you can't cure between hits in a round.

3) I concede that this point is lessened by feint. I was told feint was a flat -40 eva, but it seems to be % based instead. Though Apoc Builds can still stack slightly more hp since it doesn't need as much gear haste, though that is almost a moot point.

4) I admit I jumped the gun when I said Apoc eats KC. I have personally only seen a KC DRK do 19k tops, while I've seen people like Taint do 23k with Apocalypse.

5) You can easily get Hundred Scythes effect with Apocalypse every 4:10. Catastrophe + 15% haste gear gives you capped gear haste. Haste + Dual March + Haste Belt gives you 45% magic haste, which caps a 43.75%. Once Last Resort is up again you can reach Hundred Scythes speed again.

**fantasticdan** · 2007-10-18 22:53

Ruke, how does rune chopper compare to bahamut's zaghnal math wise, especially when lacking speed belt/dusk gloves +1?

For example: dusk gloves, homam feet/legs, swift belt, w. turban, blitz ring with bahamut's zaghnal (19% haste), vs. dusk gloves, homam feet/legs, swift belt, w. turban, bloodbead ring with rune chopper (25% haste).

Also, assuming the first setup is using gloom breastplate, the second setup could drop homam legs and bloodbead ring for sable cuisses and blitz ring, retaining capped haste and using homam body instead.

I guess what I'm asking is:

Average attack twice per round, 24 base dmg, +19% haste, +107hp vs.

88 base dmg, +25% haste, +157hp vs.

88 base dmg, +25% haste, +108hp, +2.5% triple attack

All three setups have enhanced souleater.

**Lhexh** · 2007-10-18 23:04