Porn addict / addict's in genral

[Rigor]

The answer is in your mind. Find something else to do to take your mind off of sex. I find that video games is a great way to take your mind off almost anything, a plus is that games keep your hands occupied. I suggest a fast paced game with little downtime so your mind has no time to wonder off.

If nothing else go to a sex addict meeting. There are some hot nymphos there, the movie Anger Management has proven this.

[archibaldcrane]

With that sead, are you even still arguing with me about making generalizations, or are we onto something else?

Nope, was just about the generalizations. I know what you're trying to say, but your clarifications were just getting more ridiculous. I think we should stop now, this is about as much consensus as we're going to come to on the issue.

Keno - you've seriously never heard of the pack-a-day cigarette smoker who went cold turkey? (especially after life changing event, i.e. got pregnant, parent died of cancer, etc.?) Or would that smoker not be "addicted" because they don't fit into your circular logic definition of addiction?

[Maxxthepenguin]

Whether it's physical or mental has little bearing on how hard it is to quit.

[Tajin]

If nothing else go to a sex addict meeting.

There is meetings for this?

[Keno]

With that sead, are you even still arguing with me about making generalizations, or are we onto something else?

Nope, was just about the generalizations. I know what you're trying to say, but your clarifications were just getting more ridiculous. I think we should stop now, this is about as much consensus as we're going to come to on the issue.

Keno - you've seriously never heard of the pack-a-day cigarette smoker who went cold turkey? (especially after life changing event, i.e. got pregnant, parent died of cancer, etc.?) Or would that smoker not be "addicted" because they don't fit into your circular logic definition of addiction?

Have I heard of it? Of course. Have I heard of it working? Rarely. Do 99% of people who go cold turkey relapse? Yes. The ones that don't relapse only don't because they have someone holding them accountable (or something I suppose), in which case you aren't doing it on your own.

[sb]

Well you clearly didn't try. It's not hard, just stop doing it. I know hundreds of smokers, all of whom can stop smoking weed whenever they want for however long they want. If that doesn't clue you that it's not addictive, I don't know what will. Example: Hey, I have finals in a month, time to start to buckle down and get to work. And just like that myself or anyone I know can stop smoking weed for a month or however long is necessary. Should I generalize this finding to all people? Of course not, but you'd certainly be in the minority if you got addicted to weed. For comparison, take the same case with a heroine or cocaine addict. Do you think that person would be able to just stop doing it cold turkey for a month? No chance.

Oh, and you quit doing heroin by yourself? Really? So one day you just said, "hey this is bad for me I should stop"? If that's the case then you weren't addicted, you were a recreational user; don't get the two confused. Bring me a real heroin addict who had to go to a methadone clinic to break the habit and I'd like to see them tell me that quitting heroin was easier than quitting weed. Just as I shouldn't make general statements about the part to a whole, you also shouldn't, especially when you don't have all the info.

Before you question whether or not I have the "info", you should know that I have spent years studying addiction and work for a non-profit addiction/recovery foundation.

Regarding my last post, I should have responded different. Due to the nature of my work, I was angry with your arguement and didn't take the time to properly build a defence. Instead I used a self reference and should have kept my personal battles (which was an addiction and not casual) out of this.

I never argued that marijuana is less addicting than herion, I was argueing the psychological aspects of addiction far outway the physical. Anyone informed in the subject would agree with this statement (and I'm sorry, siting High Time does not make you informed).

And for the record, methodone is a stronger addiction than heroin with a harsher/longer physical withdrawl. It's just "safer" in that its government regulated.

[Gulkeeva]

If nothing else go to a sex addict meeting.

There is meetings for this?

what really?

[Anyway]

I love people making arguements about pot when they've never even tried it. I've smoked pot for a couple years now and I will give MY opinion, you know, the one that has first-hand experience. And you're not going to like my opinion, because it supports both sides. It is and it isn't addictive. It IS addictive in the sense that you can kind of get caught in a routine of sorts. From July to September, I pretty much smoked everyday (its the summer come on lol). The biggest reason I did smoke everyday was because it came to a point where I couldn't sleep if I didn't smoke a bowl. This happened because every time I couldn't sleep, that was the remedy I used. This can happen with shit like Nyquil too, to some people.

At the same time, I can stop smoking pot now. Like right now. You don't fiend for it or get bad withdrawl from stopping. You can get kind of irritable and restless the first couple days if you smoked everyday for a period of time. But it's really because you've gotten used to being high all the time and when you're not you start noticing shit people do or say that you may not have noticed while high.

[Maxxthepenguin]

Have I heard of it? Of course. Have I heard of it working? Rarely. Do 99% of people who go cold turkey relapse? Yes. The ones that don't relapse only don't because they have someone holding them accountable (or something I suppose), in which case you aren't doing it on your own.

Dealing with absolutes are we?

[Keno]

Well you clearly didn't try. It's not hard, just stop doing it. I know hundreds of smokers, all of whom can stop smoking weed whenever they want for however long they want. If that doesn't clue you that it's not addictive, I don't know what will. Example: Hey, I have finals in a month, time to start to buckle down and get to work. And just like that myself or anyone I know can stop smoking weed for a month or however long is necessary. Should I generalize this finding to all people? Of course not, but you'd certainly be in the minority if you got addicted to weed. For comparison, take the same case with a heroine or cocaine addict. Do you think that person would be able to just stop doing it cold turkey for a month? No chance.

Oh, and you quit doing heroin by yourself? Really? So one day you just said, "hey this is bad for me I should stop"? If that's the case then you weren't addicted, you were a recreational user; don't get the two confused. Bring me a real heroin addict who had to go to a methadone clinic to break the habit and I'd like to see them tell me that quitting heroin was easier than quitting weed. Just as I shouldn't make general statements about the part to a whole, you also shouldn't, especially when you don't have all the info.

Before you question whether or not I have the "info", you should know that I have spent years studying addiction and work for a non-profit addiction/recovery foundation.

Regarding my last post, I should have responded different. Due to the nature of my work, I was angry with your arguement and didn't take the time to properly build a defence. Instead I used a self reference and should have kept my personal battles (which was an addiction and not casual) out of this.

I never argued that marijuana is less addicting than herion, I was argueing the psychological aspects of addiction far outway the physical. Anyone informed in the subject would agree with this statement (and I'm sorry, siting High Time does not make you informed).

And for the record, methodone is a stronger addiction than heroin with a harsher/longer physical withdrawl. It's just "safer" in that its government regulated.

I never said methadone wasn't stronger than heroin. Methadone is used to help curb heroin addiction though. As for everyone getting on my case about quoting high times, it's not like they actually did the research; I'm not asking you to take a stoner's word on it. They merely quoted someone else's research in one of their articles, so get over that. And I never said MJ wasn't psychologically addictive. I said all psychological addictions though can be broken with mere effort. If you would read my other posts then you'd see I made the distinction. And to say that the psychological aspects of addiction far outweigh the physical is just... I don't know what to call it, but it isn't intelligent. When a drug has two aspects of addiction it's generally the chemical addiction that's harder to break. Sure, some people who try and quit smoking have a knee jerk reaction to smoke when they go through their routine, but that is far overshadowed by the chemical cravings they have for the nicotine and other dopamine releasing substances in cigarettes.

[Anyway]

I again have experience, I quit cold turkey from smoking cigs. It was hard the first week but you fucking deal with it.

Maybe I just don't have an addictive personality. If so, disregard everything i've posted in this thread.

[archibaldcrane]

Keno, It's just your attitude that it's impossible to break a physical addiction (like cigarettes or heroin) without help that rubs me the wrong way - and when pointed with countering evidence, you keep redefining terms, like what "without help" means. It just feels like a constant backpedal.

[Khamsin]

If nothing else go to a sex addict meeting.

There is meetings for this?

It's pretty detrimental to your career and social life when all you do is stay home and have wild, passionate sex all day.

[Keno]

I again have experience, I quit cold turkey from smoking cigs. It was hard the first week but you fucking deal with it.

Maybe I just don't have an addictive personality. If so, disregard everything i've posted in this thread.

Just so you know, you're in the minority. Most people cannot just stop smoking cigarettes if they have been smoking them habitually. I can't remember how many times with how many different people saying, "Yeah, I'm trying to quit AGAIN." And did you have any support or external reason for quitting (besides the health benefits, because assuming you're not over 50 years old, the health risks have been a constant since you started smoking)?

@archibald: You're right, I shouldn't generalize. You CAN quit a physical addiction by yourself without external reasoning or support, but 99.9% of people won't be able to do it. I guess I was speaking to what most people would experience, but as always, there are exceptions to every rule.

[Anyway]

Idk what you consider external reasons. Was really just like "I'm tired of smelling like them and i'm tired of being "that guy" who has to go outside for a cig all the time." I'm not gonna lie, like I said, the first week was brutal. I was coughing up nasty shit in all different colors and it didn't help that a bunch of my friends still chainsmoke.

[sb]

Regarding chemical/psychological addictions. To use nicotine as an example: The chemical dependancy and physical symptoms of withdrawl last two days except in in the situations where the user was a chain smoker, where its a little bit longer. It's the psychological addictions, and the inturuption of habit that are far harder to break. With addiction, yes the chemical dependancy is the more intense phase, particularly with some of the more lethal drugs, however its the psychological dependancies that are the real battle.

The thing about the high times article is that it's is like trusting a study put out by the cigarette companies :D . Also that study is from 1995, and there is more recent/relevant information out there, particularly as newer and stronger strains are being developed. I also want to say that even though I might seem to be against it, I personally find marijuana to be a less harmful drug than alcohol.

P.S. The methodone thing wasn't questioning anything you said. It was just a little side fact. Backwords as this sounds, I know people who have used herion to break their methodone addictions...

[BIGSTIC]

Just so you know, you're in the minority. Most people cannot just stop smoking cigarettes if they have been smoking them habitually. I can't remember how many times with how many different people saying, "Yeah, I'm trying to quit AGAIN." And did you have any support or external reason for quitting (besides the health benefits, because assuming you're not over 50 years old, the health risks have been a constant since you started smoking)?

Well i guess me and my wife are just wierd. We were both pack a day smokers up until 3 years ago when we looked at eachother and said "lets quit". It was tough and all my and her friends/co workers/relatives smoked. They teased and laughed and well were anything but supportive but through shear stubourness we are both smoke free for going 3 years. Hell up until 5 years ago i used to blow well over $100/week on drugs/booze and now i havent touched a drug in over 2 years and tend to get a lucky 1 beer a weekend.

Now dont get me wrong if i was to be offered a puff i would probably hit it for old time sake and every blue monn i will buy a stogie but the temptations are all gone. Meth and coke i will never touch again and dont ask me why i only tried em once cause the majority of the people i have met arent so lucky.

I guess me and my wife are the lucky few becasue i would say 95% of the people i know who "quit" smoking still smoke.

But as for Porn adiction. Really no advice. But if it runs you and you dont run it then i would do anything to try to fix the situation. I know when i have a hard time trying to decide if i should have another drink or go home i pull out a pic of my son and well i 99% of the time will go home. Remeber whats important in your life and it seems to make the decision easier.

[Keno]

@sb: I see what you're saying about the High Times article now. Any source for the cigarette physical withdrawal only being 2 days? Perhaps what I'm saying only holds true for harder drugs. Perhaps I'm just flat out wrong. But I've talked to people who have had to go to methadone clinics for heroin and they said they physically hurt for weeks after quitting heroin. Oh, and I don't think anyone would argue weed is a more dangerous drug than alcohol, because there are hundreds of studies to show that it is not. I'm going to look for some newer weed addiction studies to see if I can back up anything I'm saying though. And this time it won't come from High Times, hah.

[Keno]

But as for Porn adiction. Really no advice. But if it runs you and you dont run it then i would do anything to try to fix the situation. I know when i have a hard time trying to decide if i should have another drink or go home i pull out a pic of my son and well i 99% of the time will go home. Remeber whats important in your life and it seems to make the decision easier.

Easily the best advice given in this thread and the distinction that should be made between porn watching as a hobby and an addiction. I also liked the bit about your son, that's quite touching.

[Maxxthepenguin]

But I've talked to people who have had to go to methadone clinics for heroin and they said they physically hurt for weeks after quitting heroin.

People can physically hurt from mental addictions.