Fapworthy WS, SC, or MB dmg. II

[chewbar]

Mmm Haka did that on our last Long Bowed Chariot, and manged to take out a huge chunk of HP.

I dont even wanna think about what a Dusty Wing would do to this equation.

A wing just allows you to open with Jinpu (or enpi)... which sounds kinda silly, I'll admit. But Sekkanoki gimps your first WS (especially with Hagun). So it gives you an extra SC in the chain and allows your first Gekko to do full damage. I tried it on a marid with soboro... cuz if 6 WSs with Hagun killed it, there's no hope of getting off a 7th. Stupid thing musta been pre-loaded with TP cuz it popped a flee right away and killed me right before the 7th WS.

Only risk with Salvage bosses is the possibility you'll get para'd right before a JA. It's important you ask a mage to watch you like a hawk for Paralyna. I stole a Revitalizer from the MNKs on the run Crizto's talking about and did the 6-step twice. =P

Isn't there a 6 WS cap for skillchains?

[Xanthe]

Mmm Haka did that on our last Long Bowed Chariot, and manged to take out a huge chunk of HP.

I dont even wanna think about what a Dusty Wing would do to this equation.

A wing just allows you to open with Jinpu (or enpi)... which sounds kinda silly, I'll admit. But Sekkanoki gimps your first WS (especially with Hagun). So it gives you an extra SC in the chain and allows your first Gekko to do full damage. I tried it on a marid with soboro... cuz if 6 WSs with Hagun killed it, there's no hope of getting off a 7th. Stupid thing musta been pre-loaded with TP cuz it popped a flee right away and killed me right before the 7th WS.

Only risk with Salvage bosses is the possibility you'll get para'd right before a JA. It's important you ask a mage to watch you like a hawk for Paralyna. I stole a Revitalizer from the MNKs on the run Crizto's talking about and did the 6-step twice. =P

Isn't there a 6 WS cap for skillchains?

It's that or the damage bonus doesn't increase after 6 weaponskills. I've never attempted to go for or beyond 6.

[Hakamaru]

Isn't there a 6 WS cap for skillchains?

It's that or the damage bonus doesn't increase after 6 weaponskills. I've never attempted to go for or beyond 6.

This was my understanding. Guess I don't know for sure until I buy another wing and try it again. This time I'm taking a mage with me.

[Max™]

Me and a friend did that just after the 2h buff, cept it went Kasha > Ground Strike > Light > Yuki > Gekko > Kasha > Light, fun stuff.

[Xanthe]

Me and a friend did that just after the 2h buff, cept it went Kasha > Ground Strike > Light > Yuki > Gekko > Kasha > Light, fun stuff.

That's not what is being discussed. We're talking about 6 back-to-back weaponskills that will make 5 skillchains in a row. Your listing is 1 and 2 skillchains. The idea here is to do 5 (potentially 6) uninterrupted skillchains and get the leet 225% modifier on Light. Ideal conditions with an Amanomurakumo would go something like this:

Enpi > Gekko [Reverberation - 50%] > Yukikaze [Induration - 60%] > Gekko [Fragmentation - 100%] > Kasha [Light - 200%] > Kaiten [Light - 225%] or

Yukikaze > Enpi [Scission - 50%] > Gekko [Reverberation - 60%] > Yukikaze [Induration - 70%] > Gekko [Fragmentation - 125%] > Kasha [Light - 225%] > Kaiten [Light - 225%] if it's possible to pull off 7 weaponskills in a row, or

Jinpu > Kasha [Gravitation - 60%] > Kaiten [Fragmentation - 75%] > Gekko [Distortion - 100%] > Kasha [Fusion - 125%] > Kaiten [Light - 225%] > Kaiten [Light - 225%] for maximum skillchain damage, though I seem to recall Kaiten not being able to continue Light off a Light skillchain already closed with Kaiten, not sure if that was debunked or if I'm remembering wrong.

[chewbar]

Yea, what I was discussing was whether or not there was some kind of limit to SCs you could have in a row. Before CoP came out, at one point I had wanted to try to speed kill gods through constant Lv2 chains (fusion to gravitation to distortion to fragmentation back to fusion etc). However someone had told me he had seen it attempted before and said there was a 6 WS (or may have been 6 SC, this was a long time ago) limit where it stops chaining afterwards. So I took his words for granted at the time and had been under that impression for a long time.
Last night before logging, I did what Hakamaru was going to do, and it did in fact worked.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...bar/bg/SC1.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...bar/bg/SC2.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g2...bar/bg/SC3.jpg
Now that was only 7 WS, 6 SC, so I may try something more "infinite" later on today, something like Jinpu spammed 12+ times (Detonation-Scission back and forth) with another SAM and see what happens there.

[Xanthe]

Very nice work Chewbar, and you may have just uncovered something new in the process! I did some math with your numbers and came up with the following results.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...killchains.jpg

A few things to note:
- All % Bonuses are adjusted to account for the 2x damage Qutrubs take (skillchains effectively get a 4x modifier; 2x to the WS, and another 2x to the skillchain)
- Estimated full damage includes the 2x damage for Qutrubs
- The first skillchain received a 60% bonus rather than the expected 50%. Did it happen to be raining or be Watersday when you did your testing?
- All other skillchains fell in line with expected values after applying resists except for the last
- The number you got for Darkness confused me for quite a while. Under the assumption of a 225% cap on bonus damage or reverting back to 100% damage it didn't fit any resist patterns. Changing the assumption to a 250% bonus it fit with a 1/8 resist.

The new discovery? It seems the damage bonus will still increase beyond the previously assumed limit of 6 weaponskills. At the 7th weaponskill (6th skillchain) a level 3 skillchain will receive a 250% damage bonus. Good work on getting the raw numbers! :D

[chewbar]

Very nice work Chewbar, and you may have just uncovered something new in the process! I did some math with your numbers and came up with the following results.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a55...killchains.jpg

A few things to note:
- All % Bonuses are adjusted to account for the 2x damage Qutrubs take (skillchains effectively get a 4x modifier; 2x to the WS, and another 2x to the skillchain)
- Estimated full damage includes the 2x damage for Qutrubs
- The first skillchain received a 60% bonus rather than the expected 50%. Did it happen to be raining or be Watersday when you did your testing?
- All other skillchains fell in line with expected values after applying resists except for the last
- The number you got for Darkness confused me for quite a while. Under the assumption of a 225% cap on bonus damage or reverting back to 100% damage it didn't fit any resist patterns. Changing the assumption to a 250% bonus it fit with a 1/8 resist.

The new discovery? It seems the damage bonus will still increase beyond the previously assumed limit of 6 weaponskills. At the 7th weaponskill (6th skillchain) a level 3 skillchain will receive a 250% damage bonus. Good work on getting the raw numbers! :D

Yea, that darkness really confused me, because I was under the same assumption. I couldn't figure it out but then again it was 1 AM in the morning for me, lol. This may have some interesting implications, assuming it goes higher. Too bad MM has been nerfed a bit, just imagine the possibilities of pairing a SAM and a PUP......
As far as the time goes, I wasn't sure so I just went to check what day it was about 5 minutes before the screenshot's time, and sure enough, it was watersday.

[Hakamaru]

The new discovery? It seems the damage bonus will still increase beyond the previously assumed limit of 6 weaponskills. At the 7th weaponskill (6th skillchain) a level 3 skillchain will receive a 250% damage bonus. Good work on getting the raw numbers! :D

Sweet! Guess I need to start farming Giant Bird Feathers. 8)

[SamanosukeShiva]

did that enpi>yuki>kasha>gekko on chariot

207>723(39)>809(65)>613(1031)

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/a...327_021509.png

then of course I died shortly after

[Wolfknight]

nice damage but you realize you could have opened with kasha(K>Y>K>G is 4 step darkness) instead right?; don't take kasha's skillchains slots for

[Xanthe]

Why stop there? Do a 7-step Darkness!

Yukikaze > Kasha [Compression] > Enpi [Transfixion] > Kasha [Compression] > YukiKaze [Detonation] > Kasha [Gravitation] > Gekko [Darkness]

[Hakamaru]

Why stop there? Do a 7-step Darkness!

Yukikaze > Kasha [Compression] > Enpi [Transfixion] > Kasha [Compression] > YukiKaze [Detonation] > Kasha [Gravitation] > Gekko [Darkness]

Better to put your gimp WS first...

Jinpu > Gekko [Reverberation] > Yukikaze [Induration] > Kasha [Compression] > Yukikaze [Detonation] > Kasha [Gravitation] > Gekko [Darkness]

Sekkanoki limits the fTP on your first WS to 100TP which makes any of the big3 weak-sauce (especially using a hagun). Plus, there's no SC following the first WS, so you'll see overall bigger totals this way.

This was the sequence I was trying to do with soboro on a marid... but i died too fast.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...ru/meikyo3.jpg


Edit : also here's a 7-step light my friend came up with when I posted my first Darkness sequence SS.

Kasha > Yukikaze [Detonation] -> Enpi/Jinpu [Scission] > Gekko [Reverberation] > Yuki [Induration] > Gekko [Fragmentation] > Kasha [Light]

[Starr]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/b...1987/water.jpg
Barthelomew's Knife

[Crizto]

He's trying to change the topic!

[_chuchu]

Wish I had done more for the lulz, but was fighting it with 11 members till about 50% before others started logging in and needed to save Ele Seal:[attachment=0:ihdacnd8]draw.PNG[/attachment:ihdacnd8]

[Draken82]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...kenBarrage.jpg
Red curry
SV-Minx2
Chaos Roll
Dia III + Angon (Ending up doing close to 16k damage in about 20 seconds)
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/5...2234614qo0.jpg[/img]
Minx2
Marble Steak
Dia III
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...DrakenSlug.gif
Red curry
SV-Minx2
Chaos Roll
Dia III (Culverin +1) no heavy shell
Highest on DL so far is 2856
Culverin +1 + heavy shell
Smn buffs SV-Mins Chaos roll
red curry + Dia III + angon

[Starr]

Holy shit....... no Angon on DL?

[Draken82]

Holy shit....... no Angon on DL?

Angon was used.

[Sakiyo]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h1...SteelCyJoJ.jpg

My latest war/thf fap worthy thingy.