Fapworthy WS, SC, or MB dmg. II

[Siralin]

Duo'ing VT Colibri @lv68 /rdm with a ninja friend of mine. Eating a mithkabob and the mob had Dia. Prolly not fapworthy but it's the highest HJ I've seen so far. Really enjoying the huge base damage increase going from Grand Knight's lance to Gae bolg.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8523/hjlv68.png

[Vajra]

Anyone who ever subs /nin on drk that isn't in nyzul should just go ahead and off themselves. I never go anything but /sam on drk because STP, Hasso, Seigan, Meditate, whatever are all invaluable, and much more efficient then utsusemi.

On birds I tank most of the time unless I'm with ridill wars from my LS, and yes, I tank with /sam. What you fail to see, Vajra, is that birds are only alive for mere seconds, and that is why you can tank with /sam. Seigan > third eye, ws, takes down third eye, bird hits you like twice, then it's dead and you move on. Of course this is only for drk since, as everyone says, it's very sj dependent.

Also, having a high counter rate, and the fact that you can block an entire multi-hit ws with one third eye and still have a few more anticipates left over is golden.

Most drks i see and party with, never like keeping up seigan only (they love to keep hasso up and be super mp sponges, and have no skill with changing stances), hell most sam/wars that i pt with always keep up hasso.

Playing drk with seigan, extra tp Job Trait and Ability is the best way to play /sam, and occasional hasso - ws finisher, I can see your point there, but killkenny is trying to argue that you only keep hasso up, and "Try" to put up seigan and third eye right after ws (before u get pecking flurried) which is damn near impossible, considering flurry takes about 1 second to charge. Only way to avoid flurry and other fast bird hits (if elegy resists bird) is to ws in seigan (unless ur hasso ws will KILL mob). Also whole reason sam sub is annoying is because of the magic penalty (Which is the same reason most sams hate subbing nin too, having to be troubled with toggling off JA's every time u want to cast utsusemi).

[Killkenny]

You couldn't just post your screenshot without making further stupid comments like those?

Couldn't you just not post at all? Oh I'm sorry that would require you not to be an idiot, my mistake keep posting and "keep derailing the argument yourself" without once having posted a picture of damage.

[Killkenny]

Playing drk with seigan, extra tp Job Trait and Ability is the best way to play /sam, and occasional hasso - ws finisher, I can see your point there, but killkenny is trying to argue that you only keep hasso up, and "Try" to put up seigan and third eye right after ws (before u get pecking flurried) which is damn near impossible

What the fuck, I NEVER said keep hasso up and "try" anything like that, you need to stop being a massive hypocrit and "read my freaking post" as you put it.

[Vajra]

Couldn't you just not post at all? Oh I'm sorry that would require you not to be an idiot, my mistake keep posting and "keep derailing the argument yourself" without once having posted a picture of damage.

Ill post some eventually, just to shut you up, but I had things to do today, with the snowstorm and all. And what does intellect have to do with posting, I'm not some grammatically challenged idiot like some people are. Calling someone an idiot in everyone of your posts makes you sound like an ugly ass-faced-googly-eyed-ninnyhammer troll mercenary destroyer, the only retaliation to being flamed is to sometime respond with even more rudeness you know...I just hope you, yourself can stop trolling, before a mod deletes the past page and a half, there's people who are actually skipping our posts, and posting new screen shots, why not comment on their posts?

Duo'ing VT Colibri @lv68 /rdm with a ninja friend of mine. Eating a mithkabob and the mob had Dia. Prolly not fapworthy but it's the highest HJ I've seen so far. Really enjoying the huge base damage increase going from Grand Knight's lance to Gae bolg.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8523/hjlv68.png

BTW very nice high jump for a 68 drg, especially since it usually does the same as a regular melee attack usually , looks nice ^_^d.

[Killkenny]

Your grammar skillz don't impress me, knowing how to type readable english and punctuate your sentances doesn't get you a cookie. You just ignore every arguement that defeats your logic and go back to focusing on that everyone that doesn't agree with you is derailing the thread.


Seigan, Berserk, SV minuet and maybe some drinks
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...ny1609/LAC.jpg

[Virg]

SAM/WAR, Coeurl Sub, Hasso, Berserk, 2x Soul Voiced Minuet
Didn´t break 2k once again...starts to piss me off.

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/2013/kvgekko.jpg

[Seedz]

I can't believe Vajra is serious.

Also, nice damage on LAC

[Killkenny]

Even more hagun madness

Hasso, 2x SV Minuet, Sub, Dia but I don't believe there was a drg

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...e6thjune-1.jpg

[S N K]

Your grammar skillz don't impress me, knowing how to type readable english and punctuate your sentances doesn't get you a cookie. You just ignore every arguement that defeats your logic and go back to focusing on that everyone that doesn't agree with you is derailing the thread.


Seigan, Berserk, SV minuet and maybe some drinks
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...ny1609/LAC.jpg

Honestly I think you're trying to hard with this guy. To be a devil's advocate I sub /whm to DRG in most of my merit PTs but I sure as shit am not going to argue it's the best sub. Yeah I can break 2k Drakebanes on Birds but even then I won't say it's the best sub.

If I had more compentant pickups, I'd fucking sub /sam.

[Killkenny]

They are worlds apart I'm afraid. Drg/whm can add a huge amount of support to a party and can quite easily solo/dual cure an entire 5 or 6 DD party on birds provided the DD don't do stupid things like full time hasso (I do not think full time hasso is stupid I just know its not a common occurance outside of ls parties).

He is arguing that /sam and all its benefits are worth giving up just so he can "manipulate" souleater for his WS and maybe a few melee swings every time recast is up (5mins with capped merits) and cast more spells.

He is not arguing that his mages are so insanely bad that they cannot support fulltime seigan drks (which is still better damage by far than /nin regardless of souleater useage) he just wants to spend more time casting absorb tp on birds which will often then steal the tp of another melee, but who cares because he outparses everyone?

[Vajra]

They are worlds apart I'm afraid. Drg/whm can add a huge amount of support to a party and can quite easily solo/dual cure an entire 5 or 6 DD party on birds provided the DD don't do stupid things like full time hasso (I do not think full time hasso is stupid I just know its not a common occurance outside of ls parties).

He is arguing that /sam and all its benefits are worth giving up just so he can "manipulate" souleater for his WS and maybe a few melee swings every time recast is up (5mins with capped merits) and cast more spells.

He is not arguing that his mages are so insanely bad that they cannot support fulltime seigan drks (which is still better damage by far than /nin regardless of souleater useage) he just wants to spend more time casting absorb tp on birds which will often then steal the tp of another melee, but who cares because he outparses everyone?

You really need to stop man, and learn how birds Magic Parroting works, and the circumstances of other melees subbing nin to block parroting, if they unluckily succumb to the spell being casted on them. Most of the time the spells casted on the bird are parroted onto the caster no matter how much hate they have. Even a whm casting dia would get dia reflected (parroted) onto them, after the bird charges it up (as long as they are in range). The only time it gets parroted onto another melee or tank (if ur xping on lv 63 colibri) is if they pull HUGE emnity right before it's parroted.

Most of the time I make my own parties, and if i sub nin, they have to sub nin too, I can understand if u think shihei is too expensive, and you can understand if I don't like sam sub at bird or mamool camp (but who says I don't use it?). If I'm healing (sch), or pulling (brd), I have the melees sub sam, and war (only a few). Now lets end this argument please kkthxbai .

[Killkenny]

If you want to end it you can stop posting more retarded crap. You have not verified any of your arguements with logic let alone proof. Also the crap about huge enmity being the only way the bird will return the spell to someone other than the caster is complete bull shit and just continues to emphasise my point about you being an idiot.

[Vajra]

If you want to end it you can stop posting more retarded crap. You have not verified any of your arguements with logic let alone proof. Also the crap about huge enmity being the only way the bird will return the spell to someone other than the caster is complete bull shit and just continues to emphasise my point about you being an idiot.

You didn't read what I said, it's really just a 50% chance man (It either gets parroted on the caster, or person with highest emnity), I pull (on brd) with elegy or cast dia and sometimes sleep birds all the time (on sch).

I've watched how birds parrot for a longtime now, only time the dont parrot onto u is if the person with highest emnity pulls hate at the moment it's charging it's animation. Also sometimes if i sleep II on sch (if link), i run out of range before the melees hit it (and wake it up), so that it doesn't sleep me (only if sublimation's done charging I do this). Away with you, you ninnyhammer!

[drewbixcube]

Why in the name of fuck would you join pickup parties anyway, unless your LS/friend list is filled with people as moronic as you.

[Vajra]

Why in the name of fuck would you join pickup parties anyway, unless your LS/friend list is filled with people as moronic as you.

Who said I join pick up parties lol? I just said i always make my own parties, i pick sensible people off my friend list and people who i party with usually, only people i get that are questionable are: vokers, and some sams, and some healers sometimes...

Don't try to troll here unless you actually read the previous posts. I NEVER put my flag up, it's just stupid to sit lfg for even a few mins, when making a party, is just a few /sea's and /tells away or /friendlist away. If we're going to keep changing the argument to illogical fecal jibberish, then you must think before u post...

[Killkenny]

Nope, your post indicated that it was a rare occurance that the target would be difference to caster but nice side stepping the other numerous flaws in your logic I have pointed out.

If you really can't stop yourself from posting stop telling me to do so, and how many times have you satisfied the main criteria for posting in this thread?

Hasso, 1x Minuet, Chaos Roll (with drk), Berserk
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x...208_183155.jpg
Hit over 2k on a blm mamool but didn't get a SS of it.

Edit: Go look up the definition of trolling, noone has any grudges against you here, you're just posting crap and people are letting you know.

[Gadritan]

fulltime seigan drks (which is still better damage by far than /nin regardless of souleater useage)

Wait wut?

[Killkenny]

You will do more damage keeping Seigan on 100% of the time whilst /sam than you will subbing /nin and casting shadows.

[Vajra]

Wait wut?

He's just talking about the store tp factor, and having meditate available with anticipations, which is agreeable, but having to cancel the JA for a spell here, and there (and the cancel isn't instantaneous, it must be "The effect of seigan wears off." before u can even trigger ur cast) is what I find annoying especially when at mamool or bird camp.

Forgetting to take them down = u manually interrupt ur own cast, before it goes off or else u get a freaking long ass recast. Best way to get around seigan, and have it available after spellcast is to seigan => third eye, wait thirty secs, third eye again, then u are free to take it down for 30 secs, and then seigan and third eye if u pull hate again (because seigan timer and third eye timer will be rdy by that point)

Also, it wasn't even Killkenny who brought up the point about seigan, it was Ohaigaiz, he's just trying to take it now, and make it look like his suggestion, when all he's been CUE_CUE'ing about, is:

Drk shouldn't cast more than dread spikes and keep hasso up, BECAZE IT'S DAH BEST MON, FOR MAMUULZ & BURD CAMP YAY