NFL Week 8 Picks

[Keno]

Favre puts up nothing short of 3 TDs this week... Just you watch.

[Headspace]

I better start him over Cutler this week!

[Keno]

I better start him over Cutler this week!

I'll still be starting Brady, but just saying Favre won't suck again this week.

[Mizango]

Probably Ben Roethlisberger or Vince Young

Young in also VERY overrated. He is the beneficiary from a stellar D-Line and Baronis (sp?) consistently booting 60+ yard field goals, both this year and last year. The Falcons game for instance, he threw what? 3 picks 0 tds and for a about 120something yards? Yet they still won via defense. Yet I have to listen to Tom Jackson and the NFL Live crew talk about how all he does is "Win games".

Both are overrated, but Young much more so by a long shot.

I think that's pretty silly, really. Young is a 2nd year quarterback who has a long way to go in order to become a great passer, and he's viewed as such. He came in last year with the titans 0-3, lost a game where the cowboys scored 45 points, then 14-13 to the colts. The rest of the year they went 8-3 with a relatively tough schedule, scoring 20+ in all but 1 game. Sure his numbers aren't amazing, but he's now 12-7 with crap wr and a group of halfass rb's. Saying the person that took an 0-3 team and has done that with it, in what's now the toughest division in football (4-2 and 3rd in the division...) is overrated seems a little farfetched. Using their defense's performance against the worst offense in the league as an example doesn't say a whole lot either.

That I can understand, all I'm saying is just that, he is a second year player, why the rush to anoint him into the HoF? According to ESPN, he is just that. He is no doubt a good player, I in no way said other wise. As I said, he benefits tremendously from that dominant Defensive line and his awesome kicker, would you like to disagree here? Because the last I checked they constantly hold people to under 20 ppg often and take advantage of field goals and the field position game? Again you care to show me otherwise? I don't recall Vince tossing 4,5 or 6 TDs in a game and just lighting up the score board.

If that were the case you can say Big Ben won the Superbowl single handedly, validating his "legendary" status. Or you can look at the fact that his job was made much easier by that Steelers defense and having the Bus in the back field or does that not count anymore? Just like while Rivers isn't as highly touted as Rothlisberger, you have to admit that his job is much easier having the best back in the NFL and arguably the best TE in the same backfield. All I was saying is Vince doesn't shoulder all the blame so he naturally should not get all the praise and worshiping when they do indeed win; hence the word overrated.

[Akiyama]

I'll be starting Brady too. I mean, he'll at least get 2 TDs I hope. >.>;

[Anyway]

If that were the case you can say Big Ben won the Superbowl single handedly, validating his "legendary" status. Or you can look at the fact that his job was made much easier by that Steelers defense and having the Bus in the back field or does that not count anymore? Just like while Rivers isn't as highly touted as Rothlisberger, you have to admit that his job is much easier having the best back in the NFL and arguably the best TE in the same backfield. All I was saying is Vince doesn't shoulder all the blame so he naturally should not get all the praise and worshiping when they do indeed win; hence the word overrated.

Being as big a Steeler fan I am and as big a Bettis fan I am, I still shake my head when people say Ben had the bus. Ben had the bus when the tank was on E. When they played together, Bettis was used as a tank not a bus, nobody remember he'd have like 5 yards rushing, 3 TDs. Yes he was automatic goal line TD (except against the Colts... which Ben saved HIS ass) but to say "Well Ben had the Bus in the back field" is kinda dumb. Don't get me wrong, Bettis is my favorite player of all time, but Hines Ward is the reason we won that year hands down.

[Plow]

Probably Ben Roethlisberger or Vince Young

Young in also VERY overrated. He is the beneficiary from a stellar D-Line and Baronis (sp?) consistently booting 60+ yard field goals, both this year and last year. The Falcons game for instance, he threw what? 3 picks 0 tds and for a about 120something yards? Yet they still won via defense. Yet I have to listen to Tom Jackson and the NFL Live crew talk about how all he does is "Win games".

Both are overrated, but Young much more so by a long shot.

I think that's pretty silly, really. Young is a 2nd year quarterback who has a long way to go in order to become a great passer, and he's viewed as such. He came in last year with the titans 0-3, lost a game where the cowboys scored 45 points, then 14-13 to the colts. The rest of the year they went 8-3 with a relatively tough schedule, scoring 20+ in all but 1 game. Sure his numbers aren't amazing, but he's now 12-7 with crap wr and a group of halfass rb's. Saying the person that took an 0-3 team and has done that with it, in what's now the toughest division in football (4-2 and 3rd in the division...) is overrated seems a little farfetched. Using their defense's performance against the worst offense in the league as an example doesn't say a whole lot either.

That I can understand, all I'm saying is just that, he is a second year player, why the rush to anoint him into the HoF? According to ESPN, he is just that. He is no doubt a good player, I in no way said other wise. As I said, he benefits tremendously from that dominant Defensive line and his awesome kicker, would you like to disagree here? Because the last I checked they constantly hold people to under 20 ppg often and take advantage of field goals and the field position game? Again you care to show me otherwise? I don't recall Vince tossing 4,5 or 6 TDs in a game and just lighting up the score board.

If that were the case you can say Big Ben won the Superbowl single handedly, validating his "legendary" status. Or you can look at the fact that his job was made much easier by that Steelers defense and having the Bus in the back field or does that not count anymore? Just like while Rivers isn't as highly touted as Rothlisberger, you have to admit that his job is much easier having the best back in the NFL and arguably the best TE in the same backfield. All I was saying is Vince doesn't shoulder all the blame so he naturally should not get all the praise and worshiping when they do indeed win; hence the word overrated.

Sure, but what he did in College combined with doing this, this early in the pros validates at least hof discussion. Welcome to modern sports, when you singlehandedly dominate what's supposed to be the best team ever in the most popular sport around, people talk about how great you are.

Have you watched Matt Leinart lately? Remember when he beat him for the heisman and was talked about as maybe the best college qb ever? lol...

[archibaldcrane]

Nothing a player can do 2 years into the pros merits HoF discussion.

Maybe it's just me.

It's not like he's having 2 back-to-back Tom Brady seasons.

[Deejay]

Nothing a player can do 2 years into the pros merits HoF discussion.

Maybe it's just me.

It's not like he's having 2 back-to-back Tom Brady seasons.

Tom Brady never got HoF discussion until recently. His stats were never "HoF" stellar and he's been overlooked on the probowl ballots plenty of years too IIRC.

I don't think Vince Young deserves to be considered a shoe in for the Hall of Fame just yet but he's on track if he continues to get better.

[Anyway]

Nothing a player can do 2 years into the pros merits HoF discussion.

Maybe it's just me.

It's not like he's having 2 back-to-back Tom Brady seasons.

Tom Brady never got HoF discussion until recently. His stats were never "HoF" stellar and he's been overlooked on the probowl ballots plenty of years too IIRC.

I don't think Vince Young deserves to be considered a shoe in for the Hall of Fame just yet but he's on track if he continues to get better.

He has 3 Superbowl rings. 2 of those he won MVP in. And he's been in 3 Pro Bowls. Think Brady is a shoe-in.

[Po]

If that were the case you can say Big Ben won the Superbowl single handedly, validating his "legendary" status. Or you can look at the fact that his job was made much easier by that Steelers defense and having the Bus in the back field or does that not count anymore? Just like while Rivers isn't as highly touted as Rothlisberger, you have to admit that his job is much easier having the best back in the NFL and arguably the best TE in the same backfield. All I was saying is Vince doesn't shoulder all the blame so he naturally should not get all the praise and worshiping when they do indeed win; hence the word overrated.

Being as big a Steeler fan I am and as big a Bettis fan I am, I still shake my head when people say Ben had the bus. Ben had the bus when the tank was on E. When they played together, Bettis was used as a tank not a bus, nobody remember he'd have like 5 yards rushing, 3 TDs. Yes he was automatic goal line TD (except against the Colts... which Ben saved HIS ass) but to say "Well Ben had the Bus in the back field" is kinda dumb. Don't get me wrong, Bettis is my favorite player of all time, but Hines Ward is the reason we won that year hands down.

Don't forget how important in Ben's year that Plax and Hines were (that was the year they both got over 1000 yards) and bailed him out big time. He has been a product of a great system, and I still say evades sacks as good as anyone in the NFL.

[Weltall]

Best college QB ever was Danny W.

Vince Young wasn't a beneficiary last year. TN's defense was ranked dead last in the league last year, lol.

[Demosthenes11]

Vince Young and Big Ben are ridiculously overrated

They have average numbers

[Po]

Best college QB ever was Danny W.

truth

too bad he was a complete bust in the nfl

edit - just saw your idiotic post

I posted earlier that Ben has better stats than Palmer, and if I looked probably the 3rd or 4th best in the NFL for QB's who have played every game this season.

[Weltall]

Numbers don't mean shit when it comes to HOF. Half the people in there have more INTs than TDs. Ever taken the time to look, oh off the top of my head, Namath or Bradshaw's numbers?

Joe Namath(Regarded as one of the greatest players ever)Career Total

TDs: 173
INts: 220
QB Rating: 65.5

Edit- Lets examine some more:

Bart Starr:

TDs: 152
Ints: 138
Rating: 80.5

Johnny Unitas:
TDs: 290

Ints: 253

Rating: 78.2

[Po]

I was referring to the part of the post about avg. numbers, those are above avg. numbers.

I do agree he is somewhat overrated. But at the same time not so much. No one says he is all that great, especially nationally.. he flies under the radar much more so than Brady, Manning and even Palmer or Young.. so it isn't like he is highly rated at all in the first place.

If anything he is underrated, if not just right rated lol

Vince Young though, def overrated lol.

And yea Bradshaw's stats are not very good, but he won 4 super bowls, and Namath had a very short career.

[Weltall]

I was actually backing up Young. In 5-7 years your opinion will change. Winning is all that matters.

Also, if you don't think college career has a factor, you're wrong. It shouldn't, but its not a computer voting on the HOF players. Its people, like you and me, with biased opinions. If you think the Houston Chronicle, or any paper out of Texas, won't vote for Young to be in the HOF in 10 years, even if he has 200 TD and 250 INT, you're too few.

If Young has a long career, with average numbers, and treats the media well he will be in the HOF. He doesn't even need a Superbowl. See Warren Moon.

[Po]

Maybe true. And don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against the guy. But last season they made him out to be the second coming, it was like.. cmon. And yes winning is all that matters, but 2 super bowls is usually the automatic ticket. usually, not always.

i.e - Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer are super bowl winners

I just hope Ben doesn't fall in that category, but he is much more talented than those 2.

[Headspace]

Right now, Big Ben has better numbers, but I believe Carson will end the season on a very high note. In 2 weeks, Palmer gets his 3rd receiver back in Chris Henry, which will either open up for great yardage with Henry or pull off some of the double coverage on TJ and Chad.

[Po]

Unless Henry rapes another 16 year old.