Which Shield

[Kazen]

Kaiser shield is obviously the correct answer ! In all seriousness though, I'd probably go with the Koenig, but it really depends on if you think you really need that 2 emnity. I know for my Pld/nin setup, I have +30 emnity and use the Kaiser shield for everything /war or /nin and Koenig is pretty much the same.

[moguri]

Anyone who chooses to use a Koenig or Kaiser shield over a Wivre shield is retarded.
When tanking anything serious (or even IT exp mobs) the 10 defense and 5 VIT will do absolutely nothing for you, re: statistical significance. However 2 enmity is a huge jump. Saying you don't need the 2 enmity is retarded, because you ALWAYS should increase your enmity especially when the other stats are worthless. If a new sword came out that was enmity 6, would you not use it because you'd lose the attack+11 from mamushitl+1?

[Churchill]

Emnity is overrated u ned dmgs from atk

[Eaglestrike]

Anyone who chooses to use a Koenig or Kaiser shield over a Wivre shield is retarded.
When tanking anything serious (or even IT exp mobs) the 10 defense and 5 VIT will do absolutely nothing for you, re: statistical significance. However 2 enmity is a huge jump. Saying you don't need the 2 enmity is retarded, because you ALWAYS should increase your enmity especially when the other stats are worthless. If a new sword came out that was enmity 6, would you not use it because you'd lose the attack+11 from mamushitl+1?

Well, there are situations I might want a koenig shield more. If the mob never resets hate (like Cerb) I'd want a koenig shield to at least swap into once I'm at the hate cap. It'll make Rampart slightly stronger and it's not like the added def/vit hurt once at the hate cap. If you're fighting a mob that ever resets hate, Wivre shield all the way I agree, it'd be silly to not focus on all the +enmity you can get.

[moguri]

Anyone who chooses to use a Koenig or Kaiser shield over a Wivre shield is retarded.
When tanking anything serious (or even IT exp mobs) the 10 defense and 5 VIT will do absolutely nothing for you, re: statistical significance. However 2 enmity is a huge jump. Saying you don't need the 2 enmity is retarded, because you ALWAYS should increase your enmity especially when the other stats are worthless. If a new sword came out that was enmity 6, would you not use it because you'd lose the attack+11 from mamushitl+1?

Well, there are situations I might want a koenig shield more. If the mob never resets hate (like Cerb) I'd want a koenig shield to at least swap into once I'm at the hate cap. It'll make Rampart slightly stronger and it's not like the added def/vit hurt once at the hate cap. If you're fighting a mob that ever resets hate, Wivre shield all the way I agree, it'd be silly to not focus on all the +enmity you can get.

The added DEF and VIT don't hurt once you're at the hate cap, but they don't help either... so we might as well factor in CHR also. If you're swapping it in to make rampart stronger then I hope you're swapping in a full VIT build, because at least with rings you can swap them without losing TP. TP being important for Chivalry, which is far more important than 5 VIT to boost rampart.

Sayin'

[Foustian]

Is Wivre Shield a size 3 or 4 shield? I've never seen a definitive answer to that. If its size 3, then obviously it would trump Koenig. If its size 4, though, I'd have a tough time choosing because I like the increased shield blocks on /nin with Koenig. Course then again maybe I should just go hide in a corner for being a shitty PLD who can't keep shadows up without shield blocks.

[moguri]

Its size 3

[fantasticdan]

It seems a lot of PALADINS here don't realize this, but the defense rating on a shield directly correlates to how much damage it reduces when you block with it. The extra 10 defense on koenig, from what understand, would amount to 5% extra physical damage reduction in addition to whatever 10 def normally does. That's not to say koenig is better, especially if you're not getting hit, however defense on a shield is more important than def anywhere else.

[Eaglestrike]

Anyone who chooses to use a Koenig or Kaiser shield over a Wivre shield is retarded.
When tanking anything serious (or even IT exp mobs) the 10 defense and 5 VIT will do absolutely nothing for you, re: statistical significance. However 2 enmity is a huge jump. Saying you don't need the 2 enmity is retarded, because you ALWAYS should increase your enmity especially when the other stats are worthless. If a new sword came out that was enmity 6, would you not use it because you'd lose the attack+11 from mamushitl+1?

Well, there are situations I might want a koenig shield more. If the mob never resets hate (like Cerb) I'd want a koenig shield to at least swap into once I'm at the hate cap. It'll make Rampart slightly stronger and it's not like the added def/vit hurt once at the hate cap. If you're fighting a mob that ever resets hate, Wivre shield all the way I agree, it'd be silly to not focus on all the +enmity you can get.

The added DEF and VIT don't hurt once you're at the hate cap, but they don't help either... so we might as well factor in CHR also. If you're swapping it in to make rampart stronger then I hope you're swapping in a full VIT build, because at least with rings you can swap them without losing TP. TP being important for Chivalry, which is far more important than 5 VIT to boost rampart.

Sayin'

Yeah but if you're say fighting Cerb and your LS has few people there, you can reach the hate cap in 5-10min, so for the next 50min or so you're at the hate cap. Using koenig in this situation would give your rampart 10 extra damage absorb at no real loss of hate since you're at the cap the whole time. And over 60min with capped merits that's nearly 15 ramparts, so 15 x 10 x 6. Only 900 but still, that +2 enmity is even smaller in that situation.

[Minions]

Dunno what the big deal with enmity is.... I tank cerb with enmity+11 and capped merits... =/

[Ferien]

It seems a lot of PALADINS here don't realize this, but the defense rating on a shield directly correlates to how much damage it reduces when you block with it. The extra 10 defense on koenig, from what understand, would amount to 5% extra physical damage reduction in addition to whatever 10 def normally does. That's not to say koenig is better, especially if you're not getting hit, however defense on a shield is more important than def anywhere else.

QFT. lolVIT and lolDef, but the Def rating on a shield actually makes a difference. Granted, /NIN it's not going to matter much, but that 10 Def, with enough Shield skill, amounts to an overall ~2% physical damage taken.

[Resin]

Dunno what the big deal with enmity is.... I tank cerb with enmity+11 and capped merits... =/

Yeah? And where were your enmity merits last night at Tiamat, eh, nubtits?

Koenig shield is blue.

[Judai]

+2 emnity is nothing amazing. I don't have the space to carry around 4 shields, I'll just stick with my Koenig for everything. Besides, Koenig looks better and we all know that's the only important thing.

[Spidey]

isnt there a cap on def and vit? or is it just def? Cause most Pld's i know more worried about stackin up on HP.
im just curious of what takes priority.

I see more koenig over wivre. But i know /nin u need more emnity to gain that hate alot faster.

[Drunkenmonk]

wivre is too fugly for me, maybe if i didnt have +30-40 w/o it i might think differently

[moguri]

Hydra haubert is ugly lolz. who needs enamity anyways?! i'll stick wit valor sorcoat!! woot

[Atlasion]

I still use koenig because I can't be arsed getting a wivre and testing if 2 enmity and loss of defense makes it better or worse. I probably couldnt work out a difference even if I did test.

I haven't been too bothered with enmity anyway. I don't even know how much I have on my general tanking gear set. I have one gear set aimed at haste and shield skill (I usually tank in) and one aimed at haste and enmity (I sometimes use to build hate when I remember to hit macro). Slots that I can't fit haste into get some shield skill or enmity instead.