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  1. #101
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    Re: Anyone actually like world HNMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stolin
    The only change that'll ever fix the problem is making the end game instanced only, period. Even if kings spawned every 30 minutes after ToD there would still be huge botting problems, and there will still be RMT problems. Instancing the end game is the only thing that hits the root of these problem.
    you can get around bots if they all spawn claimed. the game has existing mechanics to do that.

  2. #102
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    Re: Anyone actually like world HNMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Obilisk
    adrinelin rush
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    and yes i do enjoy this stuff, or i wouldnt do it? Nobody forces you to do anything

  3. #103
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    Re: Anyone actually like world HNMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus
    Quote Originally Posted by Bagel
    I just .dat swap Dragon's Aery to my mog house and put seek up. Recreates "playing" the game for me 100%.
    Now if only you could turn all of your mannequins into darters the illusion would be complete.
    Ladies and Gentlemen we have discovered the correct solution.

  4. #104
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    Re: Anyone actually like world HNMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    Quote Originally Posted by Stolin
    The only change that'll ever fix the problem is making the end game instanced only, period. Even if kings spawned every 30 minutes after ToD there would still be huge botting problems, and there will still be RMT problems. Instancing the end game is the only thing that hits the root of these problem.
    you can get around bots if they all spawn claimed. the game has existing mechanics to do that.
    Claimed to a random person? Hmm, then it just means recruit the most people and get them to the zone... I don't like that any more than "cruise control"

  5. #105
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    Re: Anyone actually like world HNMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    you can get around bots if they all spawn claimed. the game has existing mechanics to do that.
    RMTs would still be able to abuse that system. Also, it would make the overcrowding issue worse.

  6. #106
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    Re: Anyone actually like world HNMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Turtlesoup
    Quote Originally Posted by The Blackrose
    Unless they added in that engaging a World Boss immediately flags the entire raid party as PvP targets, that is only viable on a PvP/RPPvP server. But I agree, it makes for some good popcorn consumption material.

    If you're playing on an RP or PVE server you're retarded because PvP is the only thing WoW has going for it.
    Meh, the main reason outdoor raid bosses in WoW work without much problem is that the loot from them is relatively quickly replaced.

    That being said, I've done all there is to do on WoW at the moment, boring as fuck right now as with the way the game is setup (100% carrot on a stick), there is nothing for me to do. Not to mention that I'm finding FFXI much more fun versus what I actually do at the moment. Keep in mind I do not camp the three kings!

  7. #107
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    Re: Anyone actually like world HNMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stolin
    RMTs would still be able to abuse that system.
    so what? why does an anti-botting measure have to be anti-RMT?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stolin
    Also, it would make the overcrowding issue worse.
    overcrowding will get worse as more people level anyway, there are other steps that can be taken to minimize that.

  8. #108
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    Re: Anyone actually like world HNMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by layoneil
    Quote Originally Posted by Stolin
    RMTs would still be able to abuse that system.
    so what? why does an anti-botting measure have to be anti-RMT?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stolin
    Also, it would make the overcrowding issue worse.
    overcrowding will get worse as more people level anyway, there are other steps that can be taken to minimize that.
    I'm sure you'll like it when over 400 people show up in the pit and Fafnir somehow spawns claimed to you but you can't act fast due to lag.

    I would hate this measure if it spawned claimed to a random person. Only way I see it now is to the Wyrm KSNM drop the same loot pool as Fafnir, or create a new BCNM for all the Kings to be fought for a rare chance at their item.

  9. #109
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    Re: Anyone actually like world HNMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khalil
    Only way I see it now is to the Wyrm KSNM drop the same loot pool as Fafnir, or create a new BCNM for all the Kings to be fought for a rare chance at their item.
    Better loot should come from KS99 Wyrm than Fafnir anyways already... If you don't have a real strategy for the KS fight, you're ass will get slaughtered. Not to mention, I'm sure they put the KS99 "kings" into the game for people to obtain black belt outside the means of claiming those ground kings. Was a great idea, except you can go through 1,000 Kindred Seals before you see a BB item, not to mention the mobs are totally different than there respective ground king. Wyrm is like a mini Tiamat, that bitch is brutal in the air. Like I said, if you don't have a good strat on it, see you again 99 seals... Whereas, a group of auction house players could kill any RoZ king with the slightest amount of research...

    It should be instanced imho. I can understand that concept behind what they originally created, but this isn't 2001 anymore. When they built the interstates in my city many years ago it was built for like 35x the capacity it currently needed. They just finished revamping the entire system due to congestion and overpopulation. That thought process can kind of apply to this as well if you think about it.

  10. #110
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    Re: Anyone actually like world HNMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Septimus
    Quote Originally Posted by Bagel
    I just .dat swap Dragon's Aery to my mog house and put seek up. Recreates "playing" the game for me 100%.
    Now if only you could turn all of your mannequins into darters the illusion would be complete.
    I hate to ruin a perfectly good joke, but what he meant was he makes aery look like his mog house, and puts his flag up while he's camping. That way it feels like he's actually "playing" instead of camping.

  11. #111
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    Re: Anyone actually like world HNMs?

    In short, only the people who claim them.

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