Odin's economy factors... Interesting read.

[Katoke]

Odin's market is being controlled by a select few of players, I'd like to turn attention to the following profiles:
Alkana
Pendas
Paanpaly
Maolord
Locksly
Coolmei
Summytwo
Aclavan

Look at that. there are some speculations I have surrounding this:
a) They figured out a way to dupe items and are using it to just make as much gil as fast as possible.
b) They are buying the items from one another to keep the sale price so low

..But you often wonder how there can be 14 Fuma-Sune Ate's up on the AH at once...Unless they're ALL server migraters who plan on migrating back after selling their stuff to get a lot of gil, I think they're dupers and/or RMT. Somethings fucking EXTREMELY fishy.

Dupe 5 items right, so now you can wait for those 5 to sell for 430k..or you can sell them for 90-100k and make as much, but SO much fasteredit since the majority of the game population may have 100k ... but not necessarily 430k .../edit

This so suspicious...
Edit Notably- - Usage of synthesis and auction houses for RMT activities.
October 24, Approx. 880 cases

edit In reply to the "Why don't they dupe the high mil items ?" .. These activities have been going on gradually over the past few days with the selected items. First it was sniper's... Then elusive earrings, then assault earrings... and progressed to where it is today. Kind of strange to see.

[vagus]

Interesting, but proves nothing really. I just think its RmT just finished leveling some job, looks like a warrior and selling gear. Since there impatient and not that smart, selling off the gear at low prices. Or maybe they bought some new accounts and liquidating gear.

[Katoke]

Also, people have expressed the same character selling teleport scrolls ... When they're a one time questable item.. So yeah.. I don't know how worth it it would be to create a new character and raise its fame to get the quest then complete it. Time vs. Money idea here.. ?

[ringthree]

Ummm... there was a thread about this the other day wasn't there?

But they are dropping the price instead of raising it... doesn't make a lot of sense, unless they are trying to kill people's sources of income.

[Katoke]

Or in fact they are duping, which isn't so unrealistic. I've heard accounts of it being done in the past.

[Zarath]

looks to me it's just gilseller banks... (personally, if I could dupe, I'd dupe high NPC sellable items... instant money = amazing)

[Katoke]

Right but the matter is this- not EVERYONE has 1.7 mil to dish out for items now do they? Gil sellers are smart, they'd dupe the lower end items and sell them at lower prices to make the same amount only quicker. How much of the population has 1.7 mil compared to how much of the population can have 100k ? It's about money over time.

[skurlover]

If they were duping this, this is a LOT faster in terms of getting caught versus duping NPC items like a poster said. I'd have to agree with the bank thing on this one, because if you look, most of it is from spamming KS and BCNMs that they would have received over time leveling.

[Katoke]

Where would they be getting the amount of seals needed to do these BCNM's ? Not to mention I've NEVER seen ANY of these chars selling these items around.

[Zumi]

If RMT did figure out how to dupe items they would be on every single server doing it as fast as they could to make gil before it was fixed.

[Katoke]

You fail to recognize they are companies competing against other companies, why share such a golden secret?

[skurlover]

Where would they be getting the amount of seals needed to do these BCNM's ? Not to mention I've NEVER seen ANY of these chars selling these items around.

Well considering you generally get 2 stacks of Beastmen and 1 stack of KS seals by the time you reach 75, and it only takes 3-4 members to win KS(s) and 4-5 members to win BS(s) they can bring a 6th member that just uses seals etc.

[tessy cat]

I just posted something like this a few minutes ago on my server forum.

What it seems like they're doing is lowering the prices on a handful of items (the ones I found are doing woodsman, astral, and victory rings, elusive, merman's, and melody earring +1, woodsville axe, and fuma sune-ate) so that others sell at the lowered price. Then they buy low, and sell back to one another at a significantly higher price thus clearing the AH history. Sell off the reserves at the gouged prices, profit, and then repeat.

I reported the names I found on my server doing it to the STF, but not really sure how else to counteract it. :/ Was planning on buying some fuma's, but the price just went up by 300k in less than an hour thanks to these guys.

[Zarath]

If they were duping this, this is a LOT faster in terms of getting caught versus duping NPC items like a poster said. I'd have to agree with the bank thing on this one, because if you look, most of it is from spamming KS and BCNMs that they would have received over time leveling.

Ah u caught my 2nd point

It's about money over time.

If I were to dupe lets say.... Weskits, they sell for about 10k to NPC, dupe like 20 of em in a matter of minutes, that's 200k in uhhh lets say 3 mins, and I keep doing this for uhhh lets say 30 mins, that's 2mil, ok lets say I'm a gilseller so I got nothing to lose to dupe it for a few hours, 8 hour shift lets say, that's 34 mil within a single work shift. Right, money over time my ass.

As I said, gilseller bank, for lets say 100 characters are using said character as their bank, then it isn't too hard to consider the implications of what they can farm.

[Katoke]

If they were duping this, this is a LOT faster in terms of getting caught versus duping NPC items like a poster said. I'd have to agree with the bank thing on this one, because if you look, most of it is from spamming KS and BCNMs that they would have received over time leveling.

Ah u caught my 2nd point

It's about money over time.

If I were to dupe lets say.... Weskits, they sell for about 10k to NPC, dupe like 20 of em in a matter of minutes, that's 200k in uhhh lets say 3 mins, and I keep doing this for uhhh lets say 30 mins, that's 2mil, ok lets say I'm a gilseller so I got nothing to lose to dupe it for a few hours, 8 hour shift lets say, that's 34 mil within a single work shift. Right, money over time my ass.

As I said, gilseller bank, for lets say 100 characters are using said character as their bank, then it isn't too hard to consider the implications of what they can farm.

I don't know, I think SE would monitor its NPC logs after the last glitch don't you? These people are obviously doing something to manipulate the economy. No one would undercut ALL these items by like 300k. Come on. Don't be so naive. Also, perhaps its JUST these items that can be duped , I don't know, you try justifying the fact that these 10+ people have been only selling these items repeatedly? And there ARE accounts of it on other servers. In reply to your 'gil seller bank' idea. Even if that's so, it'd be rare considering most of the RMT were wiped out in the past few months (supposedly) by the task force? How do we know this dupe trick doesn't take some work, so why would you risk the amount of work it takes to make 10k when you can make necessarily 100k ?

[Zarath]

If they were duping this, this is a LOT faster in terms of getting caught versus duping NPC items like a poster said. I'd have to agree with the bank thing on this one, because if you look, most of it is from spamming KS and BCNMs that they would have received over time leveling.

Ah u caught my 2nd point

It's about money over time.

If I were to dupe lets say.... Weskits, they sell for about 10k to NPC, dupe like 20 of em in a matter of minutes, that's 200k in uhhh lets say 3 mins, and I keep doing this for uhhh lets say 30 mins, that's 2mil, ok lets say I'm a gilseller so I got nothing to lose to dupe it for a few hours, 8 hour shift lets say, that's 34 mil within a single work shift. Right, money over time my ass.

As I said, gilseller bank, for lets say 100 characters are using said character as their bank, then it isn't too hard to consider the implications of what they can farm.

I don't know, I think SE would monitor its NPC logs after the last glitch don't you? These people are obviously doing something to manipulate the economy. No one would undercut ALL these items by like 300k. Come on. Don't be so naive.

I'm not, ur the one jumping the gun without giving it much thought. I've contended with gilsellers enough to know that they would, (good bye expendables market, I knew thee well). What they are after are a quick buck, rather than highest profit margin. If more people buy a Y price, then they'll sell it at Y's price. Which comes to my next point, stock of said item, if they have a surplus of said item and not selling enough, they will drop the price of said item, even if they're the only seller(s).

Additionally, comes to another point, price manipulation, buy in bulk/farm in bulk, sell to eachother for cheap, buy for cheap, sell for high, as another poster said.

[Katoke]

Even if it is just buying and then selling high.. That manipulation of auction house for RMT activity.

[skurlover]

No one is disagreeing with you that this is probably RMT activity, but don't be so set that your way is 100% right unless you have proof. This community has seen a lot of "cheats" etc. over the 4 years NA release has been around.

I'm just as concerned as you, but listening instead of picking apart everyone's ideas is going to get this discussion a lot further a lot faster.

[aurik]

They're not duping items, they're duping people by wiping the AH history and resetting the price low when they buy and high when they sell.

[zagex]

We had this on Midgards for a month or two, but they haven't shown up on our server for a week. I did a search on ffxiah back when they were around and oddly enough, a lot of the same names existed on other servers and were doing the exact same thing with similar items. As was mentioned earlier, what they do is buy 1 or 2 items at a regular price, then they buy and sell back and forth between their own characters 10 times to lower the price. Then they wait for people to list their items at the new price then buy up a bunch. When they have enough, or the price starts to go back up, they then buy and sell back and forth 10 times to create a new price history. Then they undercut their own fake price. I noticed at least 1 or 2 people who would also buy what the RMT bought and sell it when they sold it, making money on the side.
Your best bet is to report it to the special task force; that's what I did, for our server. The more people reporting it, the better probably, though they can only work so quickly.