Space just got like, deep, man.

[Fhqwghads]

Although, isn't the total amount of energy/matter in the universe constant? If matter enters a black hole into another universe, wouldn't that subtract energy/matter from ours and add it to the other? Unless that sub-universe counts as a part of ours, and so the total across both are still constant. In which case, eventually, our entire universe would be sucked into a black hole.

It might be constant, or it could be additional material of a completely different type that science hasn't figured out yet, like dark matter. Since there are theoretically infinite universes that follow infinite rule sets, all bets are off regarding the type of material that would enter our universe from some other (or perhaps more than one) universe.

[Kaylia]

Isn't there some geometric shape or fractal that has an infinite perimeter but finite area?

Any fractral geometric figure has an infinite perimeter by definition.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...similar-x1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...similar-x6.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...milar-x100.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ilar-x2000.jpg

This thread lacked pretty color and useless image. Here is some pretty fractal

[Koga]

Better Pretty Colors: http://www.enchgallery.com/fractals/fracthumbs.htm

[Fhqwghads]

Our sun will never supernova, btw. Not enough mass.

Still going to get big enough to roast us tho ;/

Maybe not! There's another theory that as the sun expands to red giant it will cause the planets to be pushed out over time too. I suppose either way it wouldn't matter, because unless life on the planet adapts to such dramatic changes, everything will go extinct. Who's to say it won't evolve though, this is going to happen over millions upon millions of years. I think the only thing that might prevent life from continuing is if the sun starts shedding its layers while in its red giant phase. I'm speaking off the top of my head, but I could swear I recall reading that's one of the things that the giants do as they convert the remaining elements to iron, eventually becoming a white dwarf.

[Fhqwghads]

The expansion and acceleration of our universe could be the result of unfathomable amounts of material being consumed in the other universe and explled into ours.

Couldn't it also be the displacement of current material?
IE Black Hole at Point A 500 Billion Light Years away is putting matter out at Point B 250 Billion Light Years away and Point B is closer to us in proximity and thus the displacement of the material makes it seem like its coming from another universe?

Sure, why not. There's all sorts of reasonable theories that us armchair cosmic philosophers can come up with. :D

Armchair science! Armchair philosophy would be if we started talking about the meaning of life and what our place in the universe is.

Ah yes, you're correct. Armchair science ftw. 8)

[Koga]

Office Armchair ftw.

[souleman]

Fractal images FTW!!!!!!

I know that articles made it sound that way, but I doubt it works like this. I can't see how 2 black hole would connect each other randomly considering their creation is an unique event completely unrelated with the creation of another black hole.
Maybe I missed something important, but there is something illogical with that theory proposed in the article.

It's not 2 black holes connected, its 1 black hole that outputs its material someplace else. Basiclly the wormhole theory.


Pretty much what happened is that a few years ago (late 80's early 90's I think it was... I'm sure Woozie can probably tell you), some strange math doods, using General Relativity, basically showed that the Big Bang theory was completely impossible with everythign we know about the universe. So now people are coming up with ideas like String Theory and Loop Quantum Gravity, which once again make the Big Bang thoery possible, but only if there is more then 1 universe.

[Koga]

Our sun will never supernova, btw. Not enough mass.

Still going to get big enough to roast us tho ;/

Maybe not! There's another theory that as the sun expands to red giant it will cause the planets to be pushed out over time too. I suppose either way it wouldn't matter, because unless life on the planet adapts to such dramatic changes, everything will go extinct. Who's to say it won't evolve though, this is going to happen over millions upon millions of years. I think the only thing that might prevent life from continuing is if the sun starts shedding its layers while in its red giant phase. I'm speaking off the top of my head, but I could swear I recall reading that's one of the things that the giants do as they convert the remaining elements to iron, eventually becoming a white dwarf.

When I was a kid I used to think it would be awesome to be a piece of matter in space. Traveling infinently and never dieing because matter cannot be destroyed. Then i could see evrything from the Center of the earth to the sun.
God I was a dork when I was a kid...

[Kaylia]

Maybe not! There's another theory that as the sun expands to red giant it will cause the planets to be pushed out over time too. I suppose either way it wouldn't matter, because unless life on the planet adapts to such dramatic changes, everything will go extinct. Who's to say it won't evolve though, this is going to happen over millions upon millions of years. I think the only thing that might prevent life from continuing is if the sun starts shedding its layers while in its red giant phase. I'm speaking off the top of my head, but I could swear I recall reading that's one of the things that the giants do as they convert the remaining elements to iron, eventually becoming a white dwarf.

Technically, condition on Earth will be fucked up long time before it become a Red Giant (temperature change as it get older), so yeah Getting pushed back by the explosion or staying here at a few thousand degree is gonna suck either way.

As far as I can remember, the upper layer is going to reach us even if we get "pushed back" by the mass loss.

Ah yes, you're correct. Armchair science ftw.

Graduating from armchair science is the reason why I went back to school to finish my major in physics Forum argument made me realized how much I was missing physics.

It's not 2 black holes connected, its 1 black hole that outputs its material someplace else. Basiclly the wormhole theory.


Pretty much what happened is that a few years ago (late 80's early 90's I think it was... I'm sure Woozie can probably tell you), some strange math doods, using General Relativity, basically showed that the Big Bang theory was completely impossible with everythign we know about the universe. So now people are coming up with ideas like String Theory and Loop Quantum Gravity, which once again make the Big Bang thoery possible, but only if there is more then 1 universe.

General relativity can't explain stuff under plank scales, and that's where the Big Bang starts. That's why we got those new theories.

Thought the articles was saying 2 blackholes, but it makes more sense if it said 1black hole + 1 output somewhere else. Figuring gamma ray burst is probably going to give us a decent answer on the topic.