New Job - Scholar

[Palin@Ramuh]

ahh well then i apologize for my ignorance

though I stand by my conclusion

[Anakron]

Anyway, if you'd actually read, you'd know they'd have 1 and 4 simply due to the definition of the job. In fact, their Fast Cast while using a particular Grimoire is much stronger than that of a RDMs (Stoneskin at 40%).

I believe that was with White Grimoire, which would only give benefits to White magic, while limiting, if not completely disabling, Black magic. So you can have your fast-cast Stoneskin and such, but you'd have very limited hate-generating spells since those are mainly Black magic. Obviously, you can swap between the two but that alone is very different from RDMs, whose Fast Cast is not only always active for everything, but also modifies recast times, which is especially important for Utsusemi (I would assume it benefits from neither White nor Black Grimoire). Haste gear may make up for some of that, but one of the reasons why RDM/NIN works is the Fast Cast in addition to haste gear.

There are still a lot of unknown factors (e.g. if Scholars get Cure IV or any MDB JTs) so I think it's a tad early to come to any real conclusion regarding SCH/NIN's viability as a tank.

[Kenai]

Plus we know little nothing about the spell list (new and existing spells) period, or viable gear/combat abilites. Are some of you REALLY expecting this job to tank? Guessing is fine, but really now...

[Enygma55]

SS might get off at 40% but Utsusemi: Ichi and Ni are not white or black magic and will trigger at 70%+ which will probably get u killed in most situations. This also applies to the recast. Utsusemi gets no speed bonus besides haste gear and spells which any job as full access to.

[Jeryhn]

SS might get off at 40% but Utsusemi: Ichi and Ni are not white or black magic and will trigger at 70%+ which will probably get u killed in most situations. This also applies to the recast. Utsusemi gets no speed bonus besides haste gear and spells which any job as full access to.

We also know that the use of the grimoires will increase the casting time of the opposite spell... but how much do you wanna bet that using a grimoire will increase the casting/recast time of ALL other magics as well? It is SE, after all.

[Spira]

i wonder how badly SCH/SAM will glitch with Grimoire + Hasso up lol

[Genosync]

probably none at all because hasso/seigan work on timers and apparently grimorie duration is infinite


gfg

[Rocl]

probably none at all because hasso/seigan work on timers and apparently grimorie duration is infinite


gfg

Don't Hasso and Seigan mess with spell recast times, just like Grimoire? That's what I thought he was talking about, anyways

[Not Kuno]

probably none at all because hasso/seigan work on timers and apparently grimorie duration is infinite


gfg

Don't Hasso and Seigan mess with spell recast times, just like Grimoire? That's what I thought he was talking about, anyways

Yeah I was thinking of the dread spike glitch.

[Damane]

I can see switching grimoires will result in wipeing all buffs effects etc of said grimoire you are switching out, otherwise I dont see the point of doing a JA that is unlimited and has no reuse timer.

I am still eager to find out if the grimoires will only effect the original magics. Probably, but if it does alternate blue magic, this could lead maybe to more BLU nukers?

[Kaslo]

I can see switching grimoires will result in wipeing all buffs effects etc of said grimoire you are switching out, otherwise I dont see the point of doing a JA that is unlimited and has no reuse timer.

I am still eager to find out if the grimoires will only effect the original magics. Probably, but if it does alternate blue magic, this could lead maybe to more BLU nukers?

The best thing it could do for blu nukeing is if the weather effect spell is pre-37, since Obi's is the best possible thing for BLU nukes >.>b

[Syfinosis]

There are all sorts of crazy rumors... finding the facts in a JP 2ch board is just a nightmare. Before Scholar was announced there were at least a dozen other fake announcements, including,

Onion Knight, Onion Mercenary, the Wrestler/Strongman, Swordsman, Galkan Prostitute, Geomancer, Time Mage, Magic Knight.

For one, Lanista, they even made a whole new thread for it, with background information.

Now the Scholar rumors are pouring in:

• Main weapon - staff[/*:m:3b2581rz]
• Main weapon - dictionary, using the blunt corner to inflict damage[/*:m:3b2581rz]
• Uses Libra to detect enemy level and weakness[/*:m:3b2581rz]
• Can read the enemy's next weapon skill or ability[/*:m:3b2581rz]
• Will probably be a tank job [/*:m:3b2581rz]
• Doesn't use magic [/*:m:3b2581rz]
• Combines items to produce new effects[/*:m:3b2581rz]
• Can stack items previously un-stackable[/*:m:3b2581rz]
• Will be a customizable job that can support or heal[/*:m:3b2581rz]
• Relic weapon will be a Comiket Catalogue[/*:m:3b2581rz]
• 2 hour ability: Death Note[/*:m:3b2581rz]
• The Dictionary is its pet[/*:m:3b2581rz]
• Gets Level-5 Haste as a spell[/*:m:3b2581rz]
• An assortment of various comic books and porno mags with made up stats are attributed to it[/*:m:3b2581rz]

[*]Main weapon - staff --Maybe, they may just try to give Faffy a paper cut[*]Main weapon - dictionary, using the blunt corner to inflict damage -- Websters?[*]Uses Libra to detect enemy level and weakness -- Doubt SE will be so kind as to let us have free candy...[*]Can read the enemy's next weapon skill or ability --See above comment only add soda into that[*]Will probably be a tank job -- the dumbass that said this needs to be lynched but first give him a paper cut[*]Doesn't use magic -- no comment[*]Combines items to produce new effects --this would be nice[*]Can stack items previously un-stackable --thats a very controversal topic and if so it does occer it will prolly be mandy buds only[*]Will be a customizable job that can support or heal -- been done[*]Relic weapon will be a Comiket Catalogue -- Nothing[*]2 hour ability: Death Note --creative yet i doubt it[*]The Dictionary is its pet --/em slap[*]Gets Level-5 Haste as a spell -- the guy that said this was on speed at the time of post[*]An assortment of various comic books and porno mags with made up stats are attributed to it -- your and idiot, get a F**king job

[Syfinosis]

as for my offical response to this new expansion's new jobs atm....

wtf

long version:

lacking visually, very very badly...
though the perks the jobs get are pretty cool

[Spira]

probably none at all because hasso/seigan work on timers and apparently grimorie duration is infinite


gfg

Don't Hasso and Seigan mess with spell recast times, just like Grimoire? That's what I thought he was talking about, anyways

ya.. I was referring to this..

when you have 1 JA that shortens cast time and another than lengthens it.. will they stack up like Berserk + Defender? Or cancel out, or give you the effect of its difference (eg if 1 is +30% cast speed, the other is -50%, it makes -20%)

and when you have 2 JA that lengthen cast timer, how long with the recast go?

These would be most easily answered once the game releases.. but for SCH/SAM (whoever decides to use this job combi) there's a chance that things get abit messy, if anything, because you've got JA that messes with all spell timers, and then another which messes with some spell timers at once.
That and maybe the QA testers might have missed it.

[Priran]

[*]Main weapon - staff --Maybe, they may just try to give Faffy a paper cut[*]Main weapon - dictionary, using the blunt corner to inflict damage -- Websters?[*]Uses Libra to detect enemy level and weakness -- Doubt SE will be so kind as to let us have free candy...[*]Can read the enemy's next weapon skill or ability --See above comment only add soda into that[*]Will probably be a tank job -- the dumbass that said this needs to be lynched but first give him a paper cut[*]Doesn't use magic -- no comment[*]Combines items to produce new effects --this would be nice[*]Can stack items previously un-stackable --thats a very controversal topic and if so it does occer it will prolly be mandy buds only[*]Will be a customizable job that can support or heal -- been done[*]Relic weapon will be a Comiket Catalogue -- Nothing[*]2 hour ability: Death Note --creative yet i doubt it[*]The Dictionary is its pet --/em slap[*]Gets Level-5 Haste as a spell -- the guy that said this was on speed at the time of post[*]An assortment of various comic books and porno mags with made up stats are attributed to it -- your and idiot, get a F**king job

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[Issac]

[*]Main weapon - staff --Maybe, they may just try to give Faffy a paper cut[*]Main weapon - dictionary, using the blunt corner to inflict damage -- Websters?[*]Uses Libra to detect enemy level and weakness -- Doubt SE will be so kind as to let us have free candy...[*]Can read the enemy's next weapon skill or ability --See above comment only add soda into that[*]Will probably be a tank job -- the dumbass that said this needs to be lynched but first give him a paper cut[*]Doesn't use magic -- no comment[*]Combines items to produce new effects --this would be nice[*]Can stack items previously un-stackable --thats a very controversal topic and if so it does occer it will prolly be mandy buds only[*]Will be a customizable job that can support or heal -- been done[*]Relic weapon will be a Comiket Catalogue -- Nothing[*]2 hour ability: Death Note --creative yet i doubt it[*]The Dictionary is its pet --/em slap[*]Gets Level-5 Haste as a spell -- the guy that said this was on speed at the time of post[*]An assortment of various comic books and porno mags with made up stats are attributed to it -- your and idiot, get a F**king job

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[BRP]

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[Remyo]

[*]Main weapon - staff --Maybe, they may just try to give Faffy a paper cut[*]Main weapon - dictionary, using the blunt corner to inflict damage -- Websters?[*]Uses Libra to detect enemy level and weakness -- Doubt SE will be so kind as to let us have free candy...[*]Can read the enemy's next weapon skill or ability --See above comment only add soda into that[*]Will probably be a tank job -- the dumbass that said this needs to be lynched but first give him a paper cut[*]Doesn't use magic -- no comment[*]Combines items to produce new effects --this would be nice[*]Can stack items previously un-stackable --thats a very controversal topic and if so it does occer it will prolly be mandy buds only[*]Will be a customizable job that can support or heal -- been done[*]Relic weapon will be a Comiket Catalogue -- Nothing[*]2 hour ability: Death Note --creative yet i doubt it[*]The Dictionary is its pet --/em slap[*]Gets Level-5 Haste as a spell -- the guy that said this was on speed at the time of post[*]An assortment of various comic books and porno mags with made up stats are attributed to it -- your and idiot, get a F**king job

this forum needs a facepalm smilie

[Tonko]

Go away and do not return. No one is interested in your half baked opinions on things no one took seriously to begin with.

[Lythandies]

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Nuff said.