Will WotG be FFXI's BC?

[Antonidas]

If ridill has been wiped, can I have the next one?

No, WoTG will not be FFXI's BC. Or maybe it will. Depends on which one means "More players".

Zilart was great till people realized that gear goes mostly downhill from there.

I loved CoP because it had an engaging story. It made little sense till about Ch5, but still. CoP also has some great items, but sea is, has, and probably will be, a headache. The Grand Wyrms drop garbage, except for gaiters. I was pretty fresh when CoP came out, so i don't want to say too much, but SE did fix alot of things in CoP's era.

ToAU was designed to give joe blow gamer a shot at the bigs. EXP is foolproof now. A party can accomplish ALOT of stuff. The story was brilliant and engaging. Loved the Serpent Generals stories. Besieged is fun, if a bit laggy, and it's fun to feel like superman with all the temp items. What ToAU lacks is rewards. Salvage items are great, but take a long ass time to get. Einherjar is a complete failure of a good idea. Besides Khim and Cerb, HNMLS's got nothing.

What SE blew is they made Zilart endgame too easy and too good. Some of the items offered are just impossible to replace. RotZ endgame still comprises the bulk of FFXI endgame. Oops.

TBH, I think WotG has alot of appeal for everyone except endgame. The story is almost guaranteed to reasonate with players, since FFXI history is based entirely on WotG. Lots of nostalgia. New jobs to level (Scholar looks way overpowered). Campaign looks awesome (It'd be really cool to fight in the war alongside familiar faces). However, WotG is still continuing what ToAU aimed to do and largely did: Make the game accessible for more people. Frankly, I don't see WotG topping Zilart endgame, based on the press releases. I'm not sure WotG will even have an endgame. The HNM player is largely going to be hosed, while everyone else is going to have a blast with the missions and Campaign.

What I think you'll see is a bunch of new faces entering, to recycle old faces who camped Fafhogg a bajillion times and want to do something else. Status Quo, in almost every sense.

[Lordwafik]

What's wrong with a DRK using it (Ares's Cuirass) post 2hander update? 12 STR and 24 attack (Which translates to actually being +36 attack and 12 STR) ?

That's huge. They sure as hell don't need the accuracy anymore, and accuracy is easy to get in lesser slots.

Edit : Also refresh for absorb TP / stun always fun.

[Lukias]

I'm talking most hnm stuff like fafhogg, I'd still rather use my ebody because I don't parse 95% on those. And I apologize, when I meant war I meant all the war/nin axe users I see with it.

And ebody is 10 str and 15 att, which is 10 str and 25 attack of course. People that say they can notice the 2 str and 11 att from the ares's when they melee are crazy, since 2hander melee swing dmg has the range of a football field. That and guillotine acc blows.

I'm not saying its a piece of crap, I'm saying its not worth the 12milish it is on some servers over the 200k it cost my ebody. I'm laughing at them, not the ares.

[Lordwafik]

That peice wasn't introduced to replace king gear, it was meant as a viable alternative due to the high demand from the playerbase for said gear - so they added a very amazing alternative.

People with E-bodies won't find ares body anything special, people without Ebodies do. Same reason people with a dalm might not care too much for a morrigan robe, where someone without one will cream their shorts when they get one. Alternative items to king camp items, ToaU aimed their items and content to a whole different crowd of players.

Your e-body costed 200k? Who fucking cares. All you keep spouting to us is you're poor and possibly jewish.

[Awoir]

I'm still waiting for a Felucca-Trammel reference.

I miss camping the gates outside Britania D;\

[Therin]

I'm talking most hnm stuff like fafhogg, I'd still rather use my ebody because I don't parse 95% on those. And I apologize, when I meant war I meant all the war/nin axe users I see with it.

And ebody is 10 str and 15 att, which is 10 str and 25 attack of course. People that say they can notice the 2 str and 11 att from the ares's when they melee are crazy, since 2hander melee swing dmg has the range of a football field. That and guillotine acc blows.

I'm not saying its a piece of crap, I'm saying its not worth the 12milish it is on some servers over the 200k it cost my ebody. I'm laughing at them, not the ares.

Okay you say it's dumb to use it on Fafnir, which makes sense because he's rather evasive (it's the reason I still have my Haubergeon +1 after getting my Ares) but then you mention Guillotine. If you're using Guillotine on Fafnir you're a fucking idiot anyway, and if you're not using Guillotine on Fafnir then why the hell did you bring it up?

[Correction]

Now don't get me wrong, I for one have never played WoW, but from what various friends have told that a lot of the reason for the "alienation" from WoW was based upon the raising of the level cap and redering all the then high-level gear that people had worked for months/years to get obsolete overnight.

I don't know of anyone who quit WoW because their purples turned to greens with the level cap change. Especially since better-designed purples were just 10 levels away; WoW doesn't marry you to your lower-level gear the way FFXI does. Class Itemization is something that WoW does a million times better than FFXI, every day of the week.

Just not sure what the OP means by the game's 'downfall' caused by the expansion. This whole thread is dumb, actually.

[Zarath]

From what I heard though friends and other associates, most quit from BC cause it was nothing new and was just bored of the game overall, which from my understanding plagues all games anyways.

[Khrno]

I agree with the statement that Ares isn't here to replace Adaberk, unless you have an Apocalypse, you will need those 25 Acc from Adaberk on HNMs, I have capped acc on merit pts, but i need Sushi to get 82-85% at FF.

However since i have capped acc for merits, i well could change Adaberk for Ares and have an increase on my performance, pre-update i had 90-92% acc at colibris (no sushi or madrigals of course), and now i have Ace's Helm, so there is enough space (acc) to wear Ares there, even at Trolls, maybe would hurt a bit on Mamools but i don't like being Firespited for 800 anyway.

Coming back to HNMs, I would use Ares for any WS besides Guillotine, either being /sam or /thf (yes i do /thf at Khimaira), I can see the extra 2 str and extra 17 att (not mentioning the awesome HP+3% for your SE nneds) doing so much more being equiped during a WS than standing idle on some mannequin like some retarded poster said above.

[Correction]

From what I heard though friends and other associates, most quit from BC cause it was nothing new and was just bored of the game overall, which from my understanding plagues all games anyways.

That just sounds like they were going to quit whether or not there was an expansion. 'Nothing new' is just factually wrong.

[Khrno]

Okay you say it's dumb to use it on Fafnir, which makes sense because he's rather evasive (it's the reason I still have my Haubergeon +1 after getting my Ares) but then you mention Guillotine. If you're using Guillotine on Fafnir you're a fucking idiot anyway, and if you're not using Guillotine on Fafnir then why the hell did you bring it up?

Hey Van, doing Guillotine at FF isn't that retarded, the porblem is all the hate generated due to Scythe dot, which is much more noticeable than GS, thus making the low damage Guillotine a non-issue.

However i have only done this 3 time when we decided to 'zerg' it, well not quite like that, but you know an under 10 min fight, my parse came up way higher than what i sually do with GS, due to the Guillotine spamfest (300-600 dmg) but doing it every 100% TP, while when i GS it is to make Light so usually TP gets stored, and you don't get to WS that much, unless there is only 1 more DD besides me, but usually we are 3.

Anyway, congrats on your Body! Mine will take a bit longer since I'm second for it on my SP (I'm getting my legs first tho), let's merit again to see how does it fair, since you have the Acc to make up for it from Homam, and I have the Att from Onyx


Edit: I will even do Algol too, so I won't be unfair doing SE Guillotines

[Therin]

Okay you say it's dumb to use it on Fafnir, which makes sense because he's rather evasive (it's the reason I still have my Haubergeon +1 after getting my Ares) but then you mention Guillotine. If you're using Guillotine on Fafnir you're a fucking idiot anyway, and if you're not using Guillotine on Fafnir then why the hell did you bring it up?

Hey Van, doing Guillotine at FF isn't that retarded, the porblem is all the hate generated due to Scythe dot, which is much more noticeable than GS, thus making the low damage Guillotine a non-issue.

However i have only done this 3 time when we decided to 'zerg' it, well not quite like that, but you know an under 10 min fight, my parse came up way higher than what i sually do with GS, due to the Guillotine spamfest (300-600 dmg) but doing it every 100% TP, while when i GS it is to make Light so usually TP gets stored, and you don't get to WS that much, unless there is only 1 more DD besides me, but usually we are 3.

Anyway, congrats on your Body! Mine will take a bit longer since I'm second for it on my SP (I'm getting my legs first tho), let's merit again to see how does it fair, since you have the Acc to make up for it from Homam, and I have the Att from Onyx


Edit: I will even do Algol too, so I won't be unfair doing SE Guillotines

Thanks Khrno.

Typically you make Light SCs on Fafnir and Scythe can't make Light.

[Khrno]

Thanks Khrno.

Typically you make Light SCs on Fafnir and Scythe can't make Light.

Have you ever tried Fragmentation? 8)

[Demonsparta]

;o

[sunb1ind]

WOTG looks and sounds like TOAU to me, without knowing any details about how endgame will turn out. The jobs will probably end up the same way in terms of usefullness. Dancer/newpup sounds like another job they thought sounded good on paper and will have zero usefullness after the novelty wears off. Scholar sounds like a good idea and probably will be another decent support job. /my2cent

Also, if its true that they developed 2 NON-tank jobs for this expansion, then that's a load of bullshit and doesn't make me very excited about the rest of the content lined up lol

I'll end up buying the expansion anyways, I want to participate in FFXI's version of the star wars prequels(minus the bad acting).

P.S. fuck WoW and BC, how is that relevant to anything? SE isn't raising a level cap and I wouldn't be surprised if they only add more minor upgrades to jobs. 2hd update wasn't even gamebreaking, more like a game element that was long broken. This thread could be posted in newbie forum imo

[inafume]

correct me if i'm wrong as i'm not up on WoW, but with the release of BC, they upped the lvl cap on the game, did they not? this turned once difficult areas like molten core (that is one of the harder instances, right? i just remember that name and people mentioning it in this context) can now be easily slaughtered by a group of lvl 70 players.

if with this release, SE renders many once prestigious accomplishments (salvage and king armor, complete af2 from a rare set, etc.) MH gear, and levels the playing field between new players freshly reaching 75 and those who are multi-year vets of 75 with HNM experience etc, then yes, they might alienate their playerbase and lose members. historically SE has not shown this to be the case, by implementing merits which take time and planning rather than simply upping the level cap and invalidating all old gear. while i won't be so bold as to say in absolutes that it will or won't hurt the playerbase, my inclination is that it will not.

But you forget that Square has done this, time and time again. Yes, even with FFXI. Remember, the level cap was 50 when the game first started, and it wasn't raised to 75 until *after* the US version was released. A lot of what used to be endgame has been relegated to low man or easy content in FFXI. Don't be blind to that.

[Xavier]

Remember kids, Serket used to take a full alliance and still cause you trouble.

[Lukias]

That peice wasn't introduced to replace king gear, it was meant as a viable alternative due to the high demand from the playerbase for said gear - so they added a very amazing alternative.

People with E-bodies won't find ares body anything special, people without Ebodies do. Same reason people with a dalm might not care too much for a morrigan robe, where someone without one will cream their shorts when they get one. Alternative items to king camp items, ToaU aimed their items and content to a whole different crowd of players.

Your e-body costed 200k? Who fucking cares. All you keep spouting to us is you're poor and possibly jewish.

I know its not a replacement, thats what I was trying to point out to the one guy that was saying that ridills and ebodies were getting phased out, sorry if you missed that. Thats the only reason I brought it up in the first place. And yes I have an ebody so I don't find it special, and the main reason I don't find it special is the price tag on it. I'd rather put the 12mil in a skadi body for rng, that thing is just all around sex. Never did I say I was poor, I'm just content with the body piece that was cheaper. And showing pictures of gear and gil to prove anything is so 2004 highschool.

And I wish I was Jewish, they have the coolest little side burn dreadlock twirly things.

Okay you say it's dumb to use it on Fafnir, which makes sense because he's rather evasive (it's the reason I still have my Haubergeon +1 after getting my Ares) but then you mention Guillotine. If you're using Guillotine on Fafnir you're a fucking idiot anyway, and if you're not using Guillotine on Fafnir then why the hell did you bring it up?

Actually yeah I do go drk/war and use a scythe on Fafnir for fun, keeps the game interesting. Everyone gets bored of spinning slash. Average guillotines are about 500ish if all my lands hit ( I've done it since I parsed higher than the ridill). That and it helps me tank on Nidhogg.

[Lordender]

if ares body was cheaper i'd probably use it over ebody in exp for drk after 2h changes just cause the extra hp would help out on souleater, constant refresh. 12mil gil for something marginal though isnt worth it at current prices.

[Spider-Dan]

I just can't stop laughing when I read these posts about how WoG could be the worst expansion ever, the FFXI killer, etc.

CoP has that title and it will never, ever give it up. You think 2 new jobs sucks? How does 0 new jobs sound? How does completing hours of level-capped content just to access the new city (and a crippled version of it with no auction house, at that) sound? How does a 30-minute walk to reach said city sound?

If WoG was as horrible as CoP, the playerbase would quit in droves (which they did). CoP is the gold standard of a sh*tty expansion. The CoP team clearly believed that the playerbase was some sort of out-of-control mob; rotten children that needed to be taught a lesson. They treated the playerbase like an enemy at every turn, and the only people you can get to defend CoP display some kind of Stockholm Syndrome, where they argue that that's the way it should be.

A shining example of this is AV vs. Odin. AV (the big bad guy of CoP) has been slaughtering alliances for over a year, and the most we can squeeze out of Squenix is "this is how to stop his irrelevant regen." Odin (the big bad guy of TAU) slaughters a few alliances for a couple of months, and Squenix immediately offers up a trick to nullify his deathga.

It's a fundamental difference in attitude.