MMO's with PvE-based endgame

[Viq]

I figured a forum stuffed with FFXI players might be a good place to find out about other PvE-based MMOs. FFXI and WoW are the obvious ones, but what other MMOs out there have good endgame that doesn't revolve around PvP? I don't necessarily care about which game has the best (please no WoW vs. the World arguements), I'm just trying to find some other PvE games to check out.

[Guyverarmor]

EQ2 has some decent material... though I stopped playing EQ1 a couple of years ago. My friend played FF but went back to EQ2 and says he has some decent fun doing end-game.

[Charla]

CoH (and CoV, same thing now that NCSoft bought them).
Probably Vanguard... I think EVE (edit: but what do I know), and Tabula Rasa eventually (released last week, so no endgame yet).

[levish]

also LOTR

[Daydreamer]

So CoH really has an endgame now? I played the beta a while back and remembered it was a blast to start with, but that whole lack of equipment thing made it get old fast.

Like what do you do in their endgame??

[Cat]

CoH (and CoV, same thing now that NCSoft bought them).
Probably Vanguard... I think EVE, and Tabula Rasa eventually (released last week, so no endgame yet).

I'd just like to point out that Eve endgame is like 100% PvP >_>

[Falconblade]

We're going text based with this motherfucker right here:

Kingdom of Loathing.

Shit yeah, motherfucker.

[Charla]

So CoH really has an endgame now? I played the beta a while back and remembered it was a blast to start with, but that whole lack of equipment thing made it get old fast.

Like what do you do in their endgame??

Well first, if you don't rush/PL, it'll take at least a few months to get 50, which isn't what I would call fast. Second, earlier this year they added an AH system and "crafted" enhancements, so actually maxing out a character can take some work besides hitting 50 and respecing twice. But the benefits of tricking yourself out with that stuff are debatable, and it can all be bought off the AH anyway with enough time and money (the next patch is putting in some new ultra-rare drops, but I'm not sure if it'll make much difference).

In one respect, CoH doesn't have any endgame at all, because the grinding ends at 50. There's no uber guilds, because there's nothing that can't be done with a decent pickup group. But another way to look at it is that the endgame is just doing whatever you want, and then picking another character to level.

Oh, and RMT can never ruin it either. All the content is instanced and the currency is too easy to get to be worth selling.

[Correction]

CoH (and CoV, same thing now that NCSoft bought them).
Probably Vanguard... I think EVE, and Tabula Rasa eventually (released last week, so no endgame yet).

I was under the impression that a 'raid' in EVE was more of a PVP affair. I could be wrong though.