Enmity testing - Still Going!

[Siniroth]

On Khim, there are times when I'll want to reset my hate on Ranger, and purposely try to kill myself while top on hate list. But sometimes the last TP is targetted on the tank, and I die from AoE. It feels like my hate isn't reset in this case.

It's just anectodal, so it would be nice to see some confirmation on this~

This is also anecdotal, but I've found on lolKirin when we kite it that I've had the same situation, I don't 'try' to die but if I die to a badly targetted stonega V/badly timed AF I find my hate is pretty high when I get back up, but if I die to kirin ripping my face off after tail smashing if TE isn't up (bind lol) then I can shoot/WS for a while before he pays attention to me again

[Jem]

Ah okay good to know, that matches SE's claims of reducing enmity on HP cured.

The only weird thing is people claiming that their whm has pulled hate from cures even after the DDs do a few weaponskills, but there are so many factors like no one provoking, people using jas before the fight rather than during, whms casting enhancing magic, (which some seem to notice as the main culprit) and hell maybe even enmity merits/gear. Going off all that, I figure best way to start a fight against a NM is to just have a war or /war open with provoke and war. The whm shouldn't ever be getting hate unless cures out weigh damage dealt. Hell if gets to that point, maybe DDs will have to spam their JAs once they get enmity on the mob rather than before in non-zerging scenarios.

For me at least it only happened when we were fighting Umbrils. Never happened when we were fighting other mobs and this was when we were gallivanting around for a good 6+ hours just finding random shit to do in Seekers areas.

I didn't think it was a global problem but rather that maybe Umbrils had non-standard enmity mechanics. Not sure what other people have been fighting when they had hate problems.

[Ashira]

Is this a record necrobump?

Um, so yeah, hi all.

Regarding the equations post-75, Kaeko abandoned FFXI for FFXIV right about the time of level cap raises, so I don't think his original testing will be much of a resource. I didn't do much else with any of it after the changes in June 2010 either, so if it's something people are looking for quantitative/qualitative figures for... it might be cleaner to start fresh.

Have fun, hopefully you don't need to cast cure 320 times.


PS- Holy crap, my sig is still here and everything...

[dasva]

As far as I can tell up until this update all of it was still valid aside from 75+ cure formula which isn't on there anyways and now 51+ cure and dmg dealt formulas. I'll finish the cures with V and VI (though VI shouldn't be changed) but I doubt I'll completely rework all the lvls. Doubt anyone cares about exact cure enmity formulas for lvls 51-98. Dmg is going to be fun. If anyone has tips to finding certain lvl mobs over 99 preferrably in ways that can be done before I do the test it would be greatly appreciated. Actually to start this out retested a few things like stun, flash, paeons, and threnodies so I wouldn't have to do something like cast 320 cures... just 20 lol. Though I did have to do 90 threnodies a few times when trying to nail down runs 1hr TE...

[Prothescar]

For me at least it only happened when we were fighting Umbrils. Never happened when we were fighting other mobs and this was when we were gallivanting around for a good 6+ hours just finding random shit to do in Seekers areas.

I didn't think it was a global problem but rather that maybe Umbrils had non-standard enmity mechanics. Not sure what other people have been fighting when they had hate problems.

my experience correlates with this. umbrils were going over to my whm when she casted paralyze and slow and stuff, but it was fine after a couple WSs. I had no such issue on other mobs

[Shadowmeld]

Seems like the place to add this. I was soloing worms in Aby La theine last night and they were exhibiting odd behaviour for me that could possibly shed some light on why people seems to be able to pull hate with buffs and stuff.

I was on blm. I would cast silence + gravity + stun + aspir and then the worm would deaggro me and turn yellow. That seems to be happening when I duo with my brother's char too. His RUN is beating on something and then hate just seems to reset and it goes after my geo on the first cast. I wonder if enmity is just screwed up right now.

[dasva]

It going yellow means it probably completely deaggroed you. Mobs that can't physically get to you or are super far away do that sometimes that said worms seem to be doing it more now.

[Shadowmeld]

Right that is what I am saying.

It used to take a worm 2-3 minutes to deaggro me. Right now it seems to happen sometimes after 10-15 seconds. It isn't happening every time, just like 1 out of 5 or so.

I have had a mob that I was actively meleeing go yellow in between swings too though. Its just weird.

[Atoreis]

I would like to say that Relic RNG + E/R PLD is even better than ever before now. Reduced enmity from /ra on top of hateless WS makes relic RNG amazing damage dealer also completely save from att/def changes.

[dasva]

I would like to say that Relic RNG + E/R PLD is even better than ever before now. Reduced enmity from /ra on top of hateless WS makes relic RNG amazing damage dealer also completely save from att/def changes.

Don't make me go do testing to see if that is true!!! . Jk I'm just catching up with expansion stuff before I get to dmg emnity changes that said gut feeling says wf might be better enmity control as far as ws though the ODD on the shots might hurt a little lol

[Prothescar]

WF certainly is less enmity than Coronach in most cases, however you are trading a little tiny bit less enmity for less damage and less accuracy in the process in a lot of situations.

[Mrp]

I use this space to say that i hate new Enmity system.

[Fake]

Are there new tables being created somewhere? Since Kaeko doesn't play any more it would make sense to move everything across to wiki so it can be updated easily.

[dasva]

No idea just posting some stuff on here as I slowly do it. I suppose I should update wiki too

[Obsidian]

I assume party only just because the Decoy dummies are always in the parties with the Rangers in the setups I've seen.

[dasva]

Well trick attack says pt onry too and is usually done in pt but is allaince but no idea on shot

[Mafai]

Our decoy for delve is never in the ranger parties.

[dasva]

Didn't even realize they changed anything.

[Sechs]

So is PLD back to being king in enmity generation? (Previous RUN was, at least RUN/BLU)

[Damane]

So is PLD back to being king in enmity generation? (Previous RUN was, at least RUN/BLU)

the only kings in enmity generation are fully buffed & decked ou melees

i would say pld and run are on par now