Dark Knight Zerg Math

[Tubbers]

This is the result of too much free time.

Anyone who has DRK might be interested in reading this. It basically gives a run down of zerging damage.

ALL OF THE DATA ASSUMES YOU HAVE CAPPED MAGIC HASTE (2x Soul Voice March + Haste) Which will give you 224/512 = 43.75% Haste.

Some stuff to keep in mind: These values are mathematically calculated, and will not correspond to actual values 1:1, but they should overall give a grasp of "In a perfect situation" to help you figure out what the best option for gear is to use in a zerg.

It covers Kraken Club, Bahamut's Zaghnal, Fortitude Axe, Rune Chopper, Ridill, Mercurial Kris

http://tubbers.livejournal.com/7576.html

This file will allow you to check your own zerg damage based on pDIF, HP, and Haste %


How to interpret the final 3 graphs:
There is a min-max range depending on two major factors: Equipment haste, and pDIF, the lower line is the minimum damage possible assuming all hits connect within the 30 seconds. Simply choose the weapon (They are color coded) and your Zerg HP, and based on what you think your pDIF will be you can get a very good estimate of the damage based on those two lines.

Hopefully you'll find it helpful if you are a DRK. It's pretty wall-o-text so beware.

Cliffnotes:
Need SV Dual March + Haste + Hasso + Desperate Blows (3 Merits)
Best Zerg Weapon (Assuming Homam Hands, Legs, Feet, Swift Belt, Walahra Turban):*
2500+ HP = Kraken Club
2100-2500 = Too close to measure absolutely.
1800-2100 HP = If you have SV Dual Minuets, Rune Chopper, otherwise Kraken Club.
1800+ HP 25% Haste Equipment (Dusk Gloves +1 and Speed Belt needed) = Kraken Club
*Not exact values just eyeball estimates

Edit: Fixed link

[Sekkite]

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[Tubbers]

Accidentally deleted the 'l' on .html, link should be working correctly now.

[Sekkite]

Hm. Poor man's kraken gear setup and reference for kraken gear setup. Useful info, I like it.

[Rije]

Interesting to note

Kclub (1hander)'s accuracy on big shit is hard pressed to get anywhere near 95%

Persay kclub has 80% acc

Non-optimal Gear:
80% of 90swings is 72 swings (being generous)

base dmg: 792
souleater dmg: 14,400
Total: 15,192

Rune Chopper: 11,550 + 5082 = 16632 PLUS a Steel Cyclone for over 1k you can tack on

Note: i assume Rc has 100%, since I don't believe Kclub will do 80%.....


Without Dusk+1 hands or Speed Belt, I'd still use Rune Chopper tbh

Using Rune, a drk is able to kill a Ul'yovra in 25sec -ish easily, unless you get charmed

[Sekkite]

95% accuracy is the tops you can get on anything.

[Tubbers]

Interesting to note

Kclub (1hander)'s accuracy on big shit is hard pressed to get anywhere near 95%

Persay kclub has 80% acc

Non-optimal Gear:
80% of 90swings is 72 swings (being generous)

base dmg: 792
souleater dmg: 14,400
Total: 15,192

Rune Chopper: 11,550 + 5082 = 16632 PLUS a Steel Cyclone for over 1k you can tack on

Note: i assume Rc has 100%, since I don't believe Kclub will do 80%.....


Without Dusk+1 hands or Speed Belt, I'd still use Rune Chopper tbh

Using Rune, a drk is able to kill a Ul'yovra in 25sec -ish easily, unless you get charmed

Generally when we zerg stuff, we have 6x SV songs (March x 2, Minuet x 2, Madrigal x 2) + Feint. That's +96 Accuracy from the Madrigals and -50% evasion from Feint. That more or less ensures 95% Accuracy with any melee weapon, but you are more or less correct. The closer you get to an average setup, rather than a perfect one, the Rune Chopper really shines.

[Rije]

Yeah I know 95% is the max you can get

Kclub would indeed be better if you had a bahamut v2 or Kirin style zerg where you swap bards out
But for things like Salvage, if you clear all your equipment, where one bard maybe 2 is max..
Adding in a body boost

Rune Chopper does indeed shine

Throw in a revitalizer and yeah...

But Rc is 150k.... Kclub is mirrions

You take your pic lol

[Zekyr]

Really good info, pretty much mirrors what I've found.

Only question I have is for 2h weapons you only show an option of 5% DA increase, brutal while using sword strap. Have you tried calculating in a pole strap's added 2%? Would it improve damage overall more than a sword strap would?

[Tulun]

Does the time for this only run 30 seconds (IE end of Desperate blows + Blood Weapon) for each weapon? Souleater technically runs 60, and the 1 handers could make up damage if cure bombed.

But that is very interesting regarding rune chopper....

edit: NVM, you said 30 seconds. Impressive.

I may have to merit Desperate blows and see that thing in action.

[Maxxthepenguin]

I may have to merit Desperate blows and see that thing in action.

I recently did that

It's totally worth it. It's the pure sex.

[Titanss]

I think this is awesome Rune Chopper sales up 300%.

[Tulun]

I guess my second question would be, is the maths correct, for anyone who knows about that sort of thing

It really depresses me my M-kris parses so blasted low on this spectrum.

[Khrno]

Too bad capping pDif with Rune Chopper, even at 999 att (with barely any str+) is so hard, so Rune Chopper numbers in reality aren't as good as they seem to be compared to KC.

RC > KC at 1900 HP? I don't quite think so. I do RC, and usually i average over 10k on 30s with SV everything, and thats about my HP a bit less, a bit more, depends on how Drain II goes off (needs more HP rings).

So just for anyone looking at these graphs fopr first time, don't get so blown up by those numbers, those are mostly perfect conditions for RC, while they arent for KC (4.5 hits avg vs RC capped pDif? How is that fair comparation?).

[sephir]

Im a little skeptical on this test. Just the way it was put together it seemed like the testers were leaning towards anti-KC or at least alternative being just as good. I noticed a few mistakes in the math as well, so I won't take it at full value as is right now.
Needs a bit more testing I think.

[Undeadhunter]

from other tests, I find it hard to believe Rune will outdo KC in any case. Only 1 thing that could outperform a KC and that's Apoc WS switch to BZ.

[Starr]

Wasn't it shown that Blitz Ring Haste+1% out does BQR Ring's HP+75 when under capped magic Haste with good Haste equipment?

[Rije]

Well, yeah if you cap pdiff
but you'll essentially hit for 88+ on anything that isn't L85

Essentially, you can solo a ul'yovra, because you can hit an ul'yovra for 100-150....
Crit for 420ish including SE damage
and essentially do 20k over 30seconds if you dont get paralyzed/charmed/stunned

Edit @ Starr:

Yes 75 hp over 60 swings only gives you rougly 600 more damage
1% haste will out do it, as the closer you get to haste cap, the more effectiveness you see out of it

93.75% haste for Rc -- 31.5 delay --- 57.14 swings over 30sec
92.75% haste for Rc -- 36.54 delay --- 49.26 swings over 30sec

[Not Kuno]

I'm gonna stick with my /nin and KC as I enjoy not getting raped by aoe. There are some fights where if you go /sam you will get smashed. And yes I know stuff will be chainspell stunned but there's always stuff that gets through.

[Rije]

Also keep in mind with Rune Chopper zerg
Your healing yourself for 400~600 every second
Unless something one shots you, you wont get killed

Another thing, the big thing that hurts Rc zerg is if something has a stun aoe, paralyze, or *gasp* charm
But its closely parsed to kclub... and of course not 100 billion dollars