FFXI Plot-holes and unclear issues

[calinz]

Was it ever mentioned how old Prishe is? I know Esha'ntarl is ~10,000 years old, but she's Zilart... Prishe should also be fairly old due to the abyssite inside her stopping her from aging, but how old exactly?

[Odin'sLaw]

Was it ever mentioned how old Prishe is? I know Esha'ntarl is ~10,000 years old, but she's Zilart... Prishe should also be fairly old due to the abyssite inside her stopping her from aging, but how old exactly?

between 28-35ish pretty sure she only got this power during the crystal war

[Apelila]

I'm going to say 30's/40's. Its implied they both lived through the fall of Tavnazia and Prishe "Grew up" with Ulmia.

More importantly:
The expedition North found the "Star of Tavnazia" 20+ years ago. Later it was fused to Prishe in an accident while trying to clean her of the emptyness so that she wouldn't become the keeper of the Apocalypse. That same star is what makes Prishe Immortal & forever young. Since they couldn't have found it if it was stuck in her 20 years ago, she was less than her current age of 14 then. Lets say the fuckup happened -right- before the crystal war, that's 34.

Remember also sometime in there the cardinal had to have her run in with the Mithra so she could gab about the star to them, and I don't see that happening before during or immediately after the war. So she could be just as old as Ulmia, in her early 20's.

[Septimus]

The Star of Tavnazia was part of Prishe's Magicite that was formed when they used the Eye of Altana to prevent her from becoming the Keeper of the Apocalypse as explained in the Bearclaw Pinnacle BC before the Snoll fight. The Star was stolen and wound up in Bastok's hands, which prompted the Northlands Expedition 30 years ago. Going with 14 for her age (a good estimate), this makes Prishe at least 44 years old, possibly a bit older since the Star had to gain enough notoriety for someone to want to steal it and for it to make its way to Cid. Ulmia does not seem that old, she seems to be about the same age as Emeline, her late 20s maybe early 30s; it is possible when they talked about Ulima growing up with Prishe, that they meant that Ulmia was the only person who would play with the weird foul-mouthed girl who didn't age when she was a child.

And the run-in with the Sin Hunters had to have been over 20 years ago because Tavnazia was split off from the mainland during the Crystal War and Prishe and Esha'ntarl hadn't seen each other since then.

[Aldoras]

Hi, i was wondering what's up with Delkfutts Tower: I always was under the impression that it was build by the Zilart as a control/power device, but now i realized that it absolutely doesn't fit in the zilartian naming scheme (with them having a thing for apostrophes after the first syllable).
so did someone else build the tower (the kuluu maybe?) or did they just ignore the name thing (which would make more sense with how the tower is being used)?

[arus2001]

Fei'yin is sort of an exception as a crag we can enter, but prior to the meltdown way back when, it was basically the same as Mea, Dem, and Holla which also lack that "naming scheme" as you put it. Delkfutt itself, if I'm remembering right, is basically the relay point the 4 crags connect to, of which they then supports Tu'lia and keeps it up in the sky. So, it's Zilartian.

[Aldoras]

ahh right so the actual scheme here is that the buildings connected to the crystal line lack the ' while other places and ppl have it

[Apelila]

The Star of Tavnazia was part of Prishe's Magicite that was formed when they used the Eye of Altana to prevent her from becoming the Keeper of the Apocalypse as explained in the Bearclaw Pinnacle BC before the Snoll fight. The Star was stolen and wound up in Bastok's hands, which prompted the Northlands Expedition 30 years ago. Going with 14 for her age (a good estimate), this makes Prishe at least 44 years old, possibly a bit older since the Star had to gain enough notoriety for someone to want to steal it and for it to make its way to Cid. Ulmia does not seem that old, she seems to be about the same age as Emeline, her late 20s maybe early 30s; it is possible when they talked about Ulima growing up with Prishe, that they meant that Ulmia was the only person who would play with the weird foul-mouthed girl who didn't age when she was a child.

And the run-in with the Sin Hunters had to have been over 20 years ago because Tavnazia was split off from the mainland during the Crystal War and Prishe and Esha'ntarl hadn't seen each other since then.

Thanks so much, that's what was tripping me up when I was re-reading the plot. My order of events seemed way to fast. Also for referring to her as "The Abhorrent One" the townspeople sure take orders readily from Prishe. In my experience the sort of stigma that gets you a fancy name like that doesn't wear off in the span of a decade.

The whole "Magicite/Star of Tavnazia/Chunk of Protocrystal" gets muddy for me, but rereading my plot summary this is the way I understand it:

The Star of Tavnazia (SoT because i'm tired of typing it out) was found well before or during the northlands expedition. A fragment of this made its way to the Mithran homeland, and that's how the Mithra originally knew of it and began investigating. Another fragment found its way to Cid by way of the Jueno Zilart for 'research'. The SOT is whats in the box you find in the Aquaducts. The cardinal put it there after sealing them, but not before breaking off the fragments that find their way to the plot points mentioned.

During their investigation before the crystal war they ran into the cardinal who told them about the Star of Tavnazia. Smooth move there. That's how the Sin Hunters, wanting to destroy the Star/any fragments to prevent a resurrection of Promathia.

Sometime between the Expidition 30 years ago and the crystal war is when Prishe would have been fused with the Magicite created when the cardinal tried to Banish the emptiness inside her. The Star wasn't used in this accident, rather the magicite in Prishe was created by the accident.

The SOT originally came from the protocrystal, which is just reffered to as magicite in the snoll BC. There's some business there about the dark divinity, and we know from TAU it's Odin but the magicite in the CS is essentially what's left over from what the expedition found.

The reason Prishe abosrbs it all is so that she can contain all of Promathia's essence. The CoP crew don't know until the end of the story that all life has the essence of Promathia.

[Tarage]

Delkfutts Tower was probably not named by the Zilart. The people of Jeuno/explorers probably named it.

Also for referring to her as "The Abhorrent One" the townspeople sure take orders readily from Prishe. In my experience the sort of stigma that gets you a fancy name like that doesn't wear off in the span of a decade.

They did treat her badly for quite some time, but you tend not to have much time for prejudices when your entire nation is in ruins and the girl who you were bashing is one of the few things standing between you and some horrible monsters. At least that's how I remember it being explained.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Yeah, similar to how the Horutoto Ruins are Kuluu but were named after a Tarutaru. I think it's said somewhere that Delkfutt was a Hume mage or something.

So what's the deal with Galkan reproduction? Is their population always approaching 0? Or do 2 Galkan children appear when they do that reincarnation thing?

[Spira]

the CoP story progresses in a very convoluted way.. goodness.
i'm currently watching and trying to summarize it into a synopsis for final fantasy wiki and its pretty hard because of all the inference he-said/she-said plot elements..

must say its really well thought out tho

[ronin sparthos]

the CoP story progresses in a very convoluted way.. goodness.
i'm currently watching and trying to summarize it into a synopsis for final fantasy wiki and its pretty hard because of all the inference he-said/she-said plot elements..

must say its really well thought out tho

Besides relying way too much on Odin, XI has some well thought out stories.

Can't wait to see how Odin affects the Seekers of Adoulin storyline though.

[Odin'sLaw]

Yeah, similar to how the Horutoto Ruins are Kuluu but were named after a Tarutaru. I think it's said somewhere that Delkfutt was a Hume mage or something.

So what's the deal with Galkan reproduction? Is their population always approaching 0? Or do 2 Galkan children appear when they do that reincarnation thing?

if you remember when the Sandworm first came out there lore basically said they eat galkan's for the staple diet so if that was true they possibly should reach 0 one day (as fair as I'm aware its the whole your reborn in the desert and some how wonder your weird sexless ass back into bastok)

Edit: Ronin, its so going to be Odin was once the King of the lands of Adoulin or He's trying to take it over

[Suteru]

I just finished Bastok Rank 10. They never really did explore why Ulrich killed Raogrimm other than "he's just some racist" or something, did they? And what does the Star of Tavnazia have to do with the Multinational Expedition?

And I am pretty sure 23 is a number thrown out somewhere in CoP regarding Prishe's age. Not her actual age of course, but maybe how long it was since she stopped aging.

[Eurell]

Didn't Ulrich love the chick that was with raogrimm?

[Spira]

Ulrich's motive was partly racism and partly for Cornelia's affection.. love rival. wtf she like galka more than a racially superior hume. something along those lines.

When Cid learnt of the star of tavnazia he was hoping that bastok could find another piece of magicite like that to fuel Bastok's technological superiority. he was the one who suggested a bastokan expedition north. word of it leaked to the other nations who didn't really trust what they were up to (sandy thought it was to look for gates of paradise), so they all sent representatives to see what was there...

its kinda strange but also funny how a mere 30 years ago the nations rarely traversed the Northlands.

[Apelila]

I'm probably wrong on some point on this, but:

Contact with the SOT/magicite (unsure if they found SOT on the expedition or if it caused said trek) is what caused the emptiness (Rage, apathy, etc) in the northlands expedition to go nuts by awaking the emptiness within them. Ulrich loved Cornelia, who loved Roagrimm. So of course it made sense to kill the Galka.

[Niiro]

Ulrich's motive was partly racism and partly for Cornelia's affection.. love rival. wtf she like galka more than a racially superior hume. something along those lines.

When Cid learnt of the star of tavnazia he was hoping that bastok could find another piece of magicite like that to fuel Bastok's technological superiority. he was the one who suggested a bastokan expedition north. word of it leaked to the other nations who didn't really trust what they were up to (sandy thought it was to look for gates of paradise), so they all sent representatives to see what was there...

its kinda strange but also funny how a mere 30 years ago the nations rarely traversed the Northlands.

As far as they knew there was nothing up there but a frozen wasteland. Hell, nobody had set foot on Antarctica until the 1800s when a bunch of explorers got bored when there weren't really any more valuable/temperate places to stick a flag in and shout "FIRST".

It does kind of beg the question why they couldn't just fly an airship up there and make a map, rather than.....walk through the freezing hell that it was.

[Fereydoon]

As far as they knew there was nothing up there but a frozen wasteland. Hell, nobody had set foot on Antarctica until the 1800s when a bunch of explorers got bored when there weren't really any more valuable/temperate places to stick a flag in and shout "FIRST".

It does kind of beg the question why they couldn't just fly an airship up there and make a map, rather than.....walk through the freezing hell that it was.

Weren't Airships not created until during the Crystal War? IIRC the reason it was initially invented/worked on was as a potential weapon during the war, and they were used for travel afterward.

[Niiro]

Crap, forgot about that.

Thought it does make you wonder why the world isn't mapped and the rest of the continents so out of reach.