more info on Scholar/Dancer

[Sho]

Anyways from BLM QQness >.>

Scholar is ftw. I don't like BLM. I don't like WHM. But god dammit, i'ma speed lvl SCH. >.>

Why? >.> From the sounds of things scholar is a combination of white mage and black mage both of which you don't like. What makes you think you're gonna like a job that combines the two lol? I mean you'll either be nuking like a BLM or you'll be healing like a WHM. The only reason I could see you wanting to lvl it is because its new?

Partially cuz of that, I won't lie :O It plays different however, even though it has BLM and WHM spells. Same reason why I like RDM and BLU (and I love main healing on either )-- can heal and nuke, but in different ways. Also the fact that you can tack on job ablilites and enhance the spells and what not. And buff up the mages. I'ma weird person like that, sue me. >.>

[Clash Perez]

Where exactly did you get the info on the spell list?

I'm wondering if they accessed the spell menu via the Magic button, or with the alt+m hotkey. The first shows spells currently available, and the second all spells learned. Or were they all clearly highlighted and nothing 'grayed out?'

[lost071]

Anyways from BLM QQness >.>

Scholar is ftw. I don't like BLM. I don't like WHM. But god dammit, i'ma speed lvl SCH. >.>

Why? >.> From the sounds of things scholar is a combination of white mage and black mage both of which you don't like. What makes you think you're gonna like a job that combines the two lol? I mean you'll either be nuking like a BLM or you'll be healing like a WHM. The only reason I could see you wanting to lvl it is because its new?

Partially cuz of that, I won't lie :O It plays different however, even though it has BLM and WHM spells. Same reason why I like RDM and BLU (and I love main healing on either )-- can heal and nuke, but in different ways. Also the fact that you can tack on job ablilites and enhance the spells and what not. And buff up the mages. I'ma weird person like that, sue me. >.>

No i'm not trying to say its a bad thing. Just seemed a little contradictory. It doesn't really sound like RDM or BLU tho. I think that when using white grimoire, you'll basically be a WHM with access to most white magic, and when you switch to black grimoire you'll basically be a BLM with access to most black magic. Sure it'll have its own unique spells and JAs to make up for not having every single spell, but basically it seems like a BLM + WHM, where as RDM is a completely different job, its healing + enfeebling + light support.

[yrpaine]

so if waltz mode cures w/o mp and scholar can dispel, you think parties would be sustainable with dnc and sch as support?

[Lasareth]

If the weather spells are in the black magic set, and are self targetable, sch (with some obis) might be able to put out some pretty good damage with t4 nukes. It's all speculation of course but having only one party slot with t4 spells and the weather bonuses at his whims seems pretty powerful. RDM does just fine without cure 5 so I don't see why SCH would be affected without having it. As a career mage I find this pretty interesting.

[Lebzile]

The lists are kickass but I'm leveling Dancer either way. just so I can have my "/em hip thrust" macros put to use god damnit.

[Isiolia]

so if waltz mode cures w/o mp and scholar can dispel, you think parties would be sustainable with dnc and sch as support?

Hopefully (otherwise there are gonna be a lot of them sitting in the low 20s going nowhere), though they'll probably still want a BRD or COR from the look of it. If anything to keep the Dancer consistently gaining TP (though ACC bonuses would not suprise me).

[donnie]

so if waltz mode cures w/o mp and scholar can dispel, you think parties would be sustainable with dnc and sch as support?

Hopefully (otherwise there are gonna be a lot of them sitting in the low 20s going nowhere), though they'll probably still want a BRD or COR from the look of it. If anything to keep the Dancer consistently gaining TP (though ACC bonuses would not suprise me).

well they said that you can convert step to TP , but step it selfs requires TP so i dont know -.-

and actually dancer/sam might be really good , the JAs uses TP , and seems to be 10% TP each dance . check how you can do a " magic evasion down" this by it self might help on alot of fights where you have to ES to stick something.

[Sho]

Anyways from BLM QQness >.>

Scholar is ftw. I don't like BLM. I don't like WHM. But god dammit, i'ma speed lvl SCH. >.>

Why? >.> From the sounds of things scholar is a combination of white mage and black mage both of which you don't like. What makes you think you're gonna like a job that combines the two lol? I mean you'll either be nuking like a BLM or you'll be healing like a WHM. The only reason I could see you wanting to lvl it is because its new?

Partially cuz of that, I won't lie :O It plays different however, even though it has BLM and WHM spells. Same reason why I like RDM and BLU (and I love main healing on either )-- can heal and nuke, but in different ways. Also the fact that you can tack on job ablilites and enhance the spells and what not. And buff up the mages. I'ma weird person like that, sue me. >.>

No i'm not trying to say its a bad thing. Just seemed a little contradictory. It doesn't really sound like RDM or BLU tho. I think that when using white grimoire, you'll basically be a WHM with access to most white magic, and when you switch to black grimoire you'll basically be a BLM with access to most black magic. Sure it'll have its own unique spells and JAs to make up for not having every single spell, but basically it seems like a BLM + WHM, where as RDM is a completely different job, its healing + enfeebling + light support.

Well the way I see it, it's the fact that you can flip between both roles on the fly, and then mildy enfeeble/support on top of that. I don't like WHM or BLM because you are basically locked into a role forever, where as SCH has a bit more freedom, it seems. Shoulda mentioned I'ma fan of support jobs as well, but a bit late for that. It's ok to hate BLM and WHM, but love SCH, you know. >.>'

[Tonko]

Dancer 2-hour is "Trance"
But you need to have a consumable item in your inventory, "Little blue pill"

[Lebzile]

Dancer 2-hour is "Trance"
But you need to have a consumable item in your inventory, "Little blue pill"

Also need to have Techo music playing in your room, the kind that goes "unce unce unce unce unce, etc."

[yrpaine]

Dancer 2-hour is "Trance"
But you need to have a consumable item in your inventory, "Little blue pill"

guess it needs a pez dispenser too? and glow sticks? *waits for ppl to make glowstick model dats to replace daggers or w/e*

[lost071]

Anyways from BLM QQness >.>

Scholar is ftw. I don't like BLM. I don't like WHM. But god dammit, i'ma speed lvl SCH. >.>

Why? >.> From the sounds of things scholar is a combination of white mage and black mage both of which you don't like. What makes you think you're gonna like a job that combines the two lol? I mean you'll either be nuking like a BLM or you'll be healing like a WHM. The only reason I could see you wanting to lvl it is because its new?

Partially cuz of that, I won't lie :O It plays different however, even though it has BLM and WHM spells. Same reason why I like RDM and BLU (and I love main healing on either )-- can heal and nuke, but in different ways. Also the fact that you can tack on job ablilites and enhance the spells and what not. And buff up the mages. I'ma weird person like that, sue me. >.>

No i'm not trying to say its a bad thing. Just seemed a little contradictory. It doesn't really sound like RDM or BLU tho. I think that when using white grimoire, you'll basically be a WHM with access to most white magic, and when you switch to black grimoire you'll basically be a BLM with access to most black magic. Sure it'll have its own unique spells and JAs to make up for not having every single spell, but basically it seems like a BLM + WHM, where as RDM is a completely different job, its healing + enfeebling + light support.

Well the way I see it, it's the fact that you can flip between both roles on the fly, and then mildy enfeeble/support on top of that. I don't like WHM or BLM because you are basically locked into a role forever, where as SCH has a bit more freedom, it seems. Shoulda mentioned I'ma fan of support jobs as well, but a bit late for that. It's ok to hate BLM and WHM, but love SCH, you know. >.>'

Well if you're nuking you're most likely to be /BLM and using certain equipment. I don't think its going to be as easy as switching between grimoires to completely change roles without any penalties. Why bother having BLM and WHM anymore if you have a job that can do both at once with just the press of a button literally.

[recuperi]

so if waltz mode cures w/o mp and scholar can dispel, you think parties would be sustainable with dnc and sch as support?

probably sustainable, but there's no haste on the scholar whm scroll log (not saying it couldn't be there still). if they gave the job haste and refresh whm would never see a party again ._.

[yrpaine]

so if waltz mode cures w/o mp and scholar can dispel, you think parties would be sustainable with dnc and sch as support?

probably sustainable, but there's no haste on the scholar whm scroll log (not saying it couldn't be there still). if they gave the job haste and refresh whm would never see a party again ._.

I'm still putting hope of there being some type of haste in the dancer traits, lots of them were still ???

but even if they can keep the pty going without haste, we'll have more options pre-end game which would be very useful.

[MaachaQ]

Where exactly did you get the info on the spell list?

I'm wondering if they accessed the spell menu via the Magic button, or with the alt+m hotkey. The first shows spells currently available, and the second all spells learned. Or were they all clearly highlighted and nothing 'grayed out?'

They used the Magic button, I am reviewing my video to see if I can see any more spells not on this list. I seem to remember seeing "Thunder Storm" on the Scholar's Black Magic list...

[Zero Serenity]

Other updates include some quick demos using Osaka and a GM client to display the two new jobs. Here are some of the highlights as we know them sofar.

Dancer: Dancer's role is a front line healer and enfeebler. It has some unique abilities associated with her including a wierd version of provoke. The demo character we saw had a Thief subjob. Also, with TP and paticular dances including certian steps all provide enfeeble effects as well as interesting enspells. Endrain was demoed, with enaspir being briefly showed in the command box.

Scholar: Scholar is looking interesting. In paticular, the "gremories" have been renamed to "Arts" and they can be switched with what looks like a one minute recast. It was told that it's role is supposed to fill whatever is missing. While it seems very Red Mage-esk, it has unique a abilities that it can store as charges. The big and paticular ones include the half cast, lower MP cost but the real one that was displayed was Osaka running around to a bunch of beetles, smacking them with a Light Staff to round them up and casting gravity. ON ALL OF THEM. Yes ladies and germ, Scholar has the ability to use Area of Effect enfeebling magic.

Also as a note, Osaka didn't have skills. She got enhancing skill with stoneskin and staff skill.

[Valiere]

2hr (For the duration, both White and Black magic is enhanced. Also allow use of War Scrolls without using charge)

Oh god, not another Azure Lore!

[Dominious]

I'm lovin' the info for Scholar so far though I notice Haste and Slow aren't listed, hopefully they're in the ~24 ones you didn't see, with Refresh and Regen if SE is feeling merciful.

[Khamsin]

[quote=lost071]

Anyways from BLM QQness >.>

Scholar is ftw. I don't like BLM. I don't like WHM. But god dammit, i'ma speed lvl SCH. >.>

Why? >.> From the sounds of things scholar is a combination of white mage and black mage both of which you don't like. What makes you think you're gonna like a job that combines the two lol? I mean you'll either be nuking like a BLM or you'll be healing like a WHM. The only reason I could see you wanting to lvl it is because its new?

Partially cuz of that, I won't lie :O It plays different however, even though it has BLM and WHM spells. Same reason why I like RDM and BLU (and I love main healing on either )-- can heal and nuke, but in different ways. Also the fact that you can tack on job ablilites and enhance the spells and what not. And buff up the mages. I'ma weird person like that, sue me. >.>

No i'm not trying to say its a bad thing. Just seemed a little contradictory. It doesn't really sound like RDM or BLU tho. I think that when using white grimoire, you'll basically be a WHM with access to most white magic, and when you switch to black grimoire you'll basically be a BLM with access to most black magic. Sure it'll have its own unique spells and JAs to make up for not having every single spell, but basically it seems like a BLM + WHM, where as RDM is a completely different job, its healing + enfeebling + light support.

Well the way I see it, it's the fact that you can flip between both roles on the fly, and then mildy enfeeble/support on top of that. I don't like WHM or BLM because you are basically locked into a role forever, where as SCH has a bit more freedom, it seems. Shoulda mentioned I'ma fan of support jobs as well, but a bit late for that. It's ok to hate BLM and WHM, but love SCH, you know. >.>'

Well if you're nuking you're most likely to be /BLM and using certain equipment. I don't think its going to be as easy as switching between grimoires to completely change roles without any penalties. Why bother having BLM and WHM anymore if you have a job that can do both at once with just the press of a button literally.[/quote:2kfvccfw]
Why would they sub BLM if they're going to fill the primary magic DD role on an HNM or something? Why not sub RDM for Fast Cast or something? Assuming Scholar gets MAB traits and such, I doubt they'd stack. Plus Scholar appears to have everything useful from BLM sub anyway.