Job Adjustments

[Veli]

I think RNG should out DD all melee jobs and the rest of them should be even when wearing top gear you can obtain.

[LD]

I think RNG should out DD all melee jobs and the rest of them should be even when wearing top gear you can obtain.

Then find a time machine and go back to 3 years ago.
The rest of us will be trying to find something resembling job balance.

[Evelyn]

if it's not too late, ask about their plans for DRK elemental spells. This has bother'd me for the longest time. If they are like "wut" explain to them it's useless and a waste of a B skill for DRK to have.

Further suggest removing/reduce MP cost(maybe use HP instead), 50% cast time reduction.

edit: for pvp purposes -ga spells is often used to remove shadows
PLD's Diaga Spell cost: 12 MP
DRK's Poisonga Spell cost: 44 MP

Suggest reducing MP cost of poisonga to 12 MP.

You can't change the MP costs of spells for one job without others QQing about it. Fuck, I can't do a decent nuke as RDM without using a huge chunk of my MP and possibly blowing the time I have between verts, you don't see me whining about it. RDM also doesn't have a single natural Divine spell, yet we have skill. And we also have H2H equipment we can't use because we don't have skill in it. Do you see us whining? only the stupid ones.

[Veli]

I think RNG should out DD all melee jobs and the rest of them should be even when wearing top gear you can obtain.

Then find a time machine and go back to 3 years ago.
The rest of us will be trying to find something resembling job balance.

That is job balance.. If people pay to do damage they should do more damage than the people that don't. RNG looks like a fun job to level but i'm not gonna level it when i can just level SAM and do the same damage for free.

[BRP]

I think RNG should out DD all melee jobs and the rest of them should be even when wearing top gear you can obtain.

Then find a time machine and go back to 3 years ago.
The rest of us will be trying to find something resembling job balance.

That is job balance.. If people pay to do damage they should do more damage than the people that don't. Hell 3 years ago the game was much better than it is now..

[Spider-Dan]

1. PUP's gear selection blatently sucks. Salvage gear is effin hard to get, and P. gear, our next best set, is mediocre in the grand scheme of melee gear. I like the Salvage gear, but having nothing in the meantime, and being put on tons of magey gear, is very crappy on SE's part. Even the other pet jobs, while still being somewhat unaccepted, have at least gotten reasonably obtainable gear made just for them, not to metion AFv2. We have some mediocre Hades Santi, the nearly impossible for anyone to realistically obtain Animator +1 (that probably sucks anyway), and the Salvage gear that we have to compete for. Seriously, wtf?

Personally, I don't understand why BLU gets access to both Homam and Nashira, while COR and PUP get access to neither (nor sky god set).

COR should be added to sky god set and PUP should be added to Homam.

[Zarath]

I wouldn't mind wearing an osode for WS and QD <<; and sexy sexy s Kote

[Mikayla]

I wouldn't mind wearing an osode for WS and QD <<; and sexy sexy s Kote

Yeah, it'd be really nice for QD, but I don't know if I'd want to give up my RACC from my Skadi body. I suppose if I switched out other spots with more RACC instead of STR or the ranged attack, it'd be better.

[Alistaire]

1. PUP's gear selection blatently sucks. Salvage gear is effin hard to get, and P. gear, our next best set, is mediocre in the grand scheme of melee gear. I like the Salvage gear, but having nothing in the meantime, and being put on tons of magey gear, is very crappy on SE's part. Even the other pet jobs, while still being somewhat unaccepted, have at least gotten reasonably obtainable gear made just for them, not to metion AFv2. We have some mediocre Hades Santi, the nearly impossible for anyone to realistically obtain Animator +1 (that probably sucks anyway), and the Salvage gear that we have to compete for. Seriously, wtf?

Personally, I don't understand why BLU gets access to both Homam and Nashira, while COR and PUP get access to neither (nor sky god set).

COR should be added to sky god set and PUP should be added to Homam.

Technically the reason BLU gets both is because the npc that gives em out is a BLU and says something along the lines of "this is what we wear".

[Zarath]

I wouldn't mind wearing an osode for WS and QD <<; and sexy sexy s Kote

Yeah, it'd be really nice for QD, but I don't know if I'd want to give up my RACC from my Skadi body. I suppose if I switched out other spots with more RACC instead of STR or the ranged attack, it'd be better.

Well truthfully, slug shot's acc isn't too bad with shushi, if u use meat that's another thing of course. With my WS set up I have about +43 RACC only, though until I get skadi hands (Fuck You Silver Sea Remnants) idk how well I'll do with +33 R ACC (using crimson currently) but I can see me losing it and not being hit too hard in Slug Acc. I've been playing around with my gear choices of the late, so far I'm trying for more a more RNG like setup and so far it's far more effective than I expected. Of course I'm fully merited and what not so idk about u.

[Mikayla]

I wouldn't mind wearing an osode for WS and QD <<; and sexy sexy s Kote

Yeah, it'd be really nice for QD, but I don't know if I'd want to give up my RACC from my Skadi body. I suppose if I switched out other spots with more RACC instead of STR or the ranged attack, it'd be better.

Well truthfully, slug shot's acc isn't too bad with shushi, if u use meat that's another thing of course. With my WS set up I have about +43 RACC only, though until I get skadi hands (Fuck You Silver Sea Remnants) idk how well I'll do with +33 R ACC (using crimson currently) but I can see me losing it and not being hit too hard in Slug Acc. I've been playing around with my gear choices of the late, so far I'm trying for more a more RNG like setup and so far it's far more effective than I expected. Of course I'm fully merited and what not so idk about u.

Yeah, I've been doing the same for the most part. Having full Skadi has helped a lot in the damage department, and I'm getting close to matching a RNG on slugs on many mobs (not HNMs), just need a few more adjustments.

[Aymee]

That is job balance.. If people pay to do damage they should do more damage than the people that don't. RNG looks like a fun job to level but i'm not gonna level it when i can just level SAM and do the same damage for free.

...lol?

Since your sig says you have NIN lvled, I'll assume you were joking. For having 3 jobs, you seem to be missing the idea of what ranged attacks versus melee is. While we're at it, why don't we make nin > mnk for dmg because you have to buy tools, cor > rng (bullets AND cards!) and-- oh wait, there's all that expensive goddamn sushi and meat crap DDs use. Let's just make them > everything. God forbid jobs might function differently and thus require different food/ammo/tools to get by. Go whiff away on SAM with hasso on so you can justify not using any food. I hate PTing with people who think this is fair to everyone else actually making an effort.

Please tell me you were joking. Were you even around 3 years ago when this was an issue? It was... well... broken. It took a nerf + the advent of deco bash/TP burn to get it out of people's systems.

Actually, I laughed so hard when I read this, I'm going to quote it again.

That is job balance.. If people pay to do damage they should do more damage than the people that don't. RNG looks like a fun job to level but i'm not gonna level it when i can just level SAM and do the same damage for free.

...lawl?

[Veli]

That is job balance.. If people pay to do damage they should do more damage than the people that don't. RNG looks like a fun job to level but i'm not gonna level it when i can just level SAM and do the same damage for free.

...lol?

Since your sig says you have NIN lvled, I'll assume you were joking. For having 3 jobs, you seem to be missing the idea of what ranged attacks versus melee is. While we're at it, why don't we make nin > mnk for dmg because you have to buy tools, cor > rng (bullets AND cards!) and-- oh wait, there's all that expensive goddamn sushi and meat crap DDs use. Let's just make them > everything. God forbid jobs might function differently and thus require different food/ammo/tools to get by. Go whiff away on SAM with hasso on so you can justify not using any food. I hate PTing with people who think this is fair to everyone else actually making an effort.

Please tell me you were joking. Were you even around 3 years ago when this was an issue? It was... well... broken. It took a nerf + the advent of deco bash/TP burn to get it out of people's systems.

Actually, I laughed so hard when I read this, I'm going to quote it again.

That is job balance.. If people pay to do damage they should do more damage than the people that don't. RNG looks like a fun job to level but i'm not gonna level it when i can just level SAM and do the same damage for free.

...lawl?

That had to be the most stupid shit i ever read..

[Greyheim]

That had to be the most stupid shit i ever read..

No, actually, that about sums it up.

[Alistaire]

So if Repose is lvl 37 or lower, RDM can use it. It'll be funny if it's Divine Magic. Days of RDM Chainspell Banishing mobs everywhere! (I did that on phuabos ages ago just cause it was easy and to get another blue skill #)

[BRP]

That had to be the most stupid shit i ever read..

Well, I think your opinion that Rangers should be stronger than everyone is the stupidest idea of balance I've ever read.

[Khamsin]

So if Repose is lvl 37 or lower, RDM can use it. It'll be funny if it's Divine Magic. Days of RDM Chainspell Banishing mobs everywhere! (I did that on phuabos ages ago just cause it was easy and to get another blue skill #)

It'll probably be Enfeebling, like Sleep, and land just as well for a WHM as Sleep does now (for WHM/BLM).

[BRP]

I hope it's Divine, such a poorly used skill.

[Veli]

That had to be the most stupid shit i ever read..

Well, I think your opinion that Rangers should be stronger than everyone is the stupidest idea of balance I've ever read.

Go exp with a rng and some other dds.. Parse it and then add the cost of the rng amo and get back to me..I'm just saying RNG does good damage but they should do a lil more damage.

[Khrno]

Go exp with a rng and some other dds.. Parse it and then add the cost of the rng amo and get back to me..

Ok, so let's say RNG is the changed into the most powerful DD ever, i mean, not talking 2004, but 2008 the year of the Gil Thrower, I mean Ranger.

So RNGs are the best there is, the more damaging ones, you can even use Stone Arrows and will beat the best BB MNK, the best Ridill WAR, the best SAM, the best DRK, etc.

So why would we invite anything else to merits? (That question is being made by a mage job, not smn or blm tho)

And your HNMLS leader tells everyone in the shell, and DD nnon-RNG, or without a mage job, go level RNG because that is all we are going to use, since RNG > God+AV together.




Now I ask you, is that the balance you are talking about? I don't think so and I will agree with this:

Well, I think your opinion that Rangers should be stronger than everyone is the stupidest idea of balance I've ever read.

and this..

...lawl?

You want balance? You are getting balance:

*SAM nerf.
*2h fix (nerf).
*Velocity Shot.


So there you go, balance, added up to THF ... oh shi.. wait