Job Adjustments

[Spider-Dan]

i can see the new dream meripo set comeing up

if 2 sambas can applie on mobs then
DNC haste samba + drain samba + additional cureing
BRD marches
COR chaos and additonal roll
+ 3 DDs

a pt without any healer

The implemented enfeebling mechanics for Dancer may be very similar or identical to that of Bard. Only one Elegy-type, Requiem-type, or Threnody-type enfeeble can be stuck on a mob at a time, anymore and they simply overwrite each other. Most likely you'll only be able to stick a single Samba-type enfeeble at a time, hope I'm wrong about Dancer though.

I believe that Sambas are technically classified as DNC buffs and Steps are the enfeebles. From the fanfest video, it appeared that Drain Samba's effect continued between mobs.

[Alistaire]

Actually, that was an extremely well-played analogy and captured exactly what he was trying to say.

But yeah, people on BG tend to ignore these things....

No, it's not a good analogy at all. If you wanted to turn that analogy into one that actually worked you'd have to say that RNG esteem is equivalent to saying irl "I'm better because I spend more on fuel" since RNG has that consumables cost that most other jobs don't have. NIN, COR, and BST are the only other jobs that regularly use any amount of consumables, however none of those 3 fall apart without the most costly consumables quite like RNG does.

[Khamsin]

Actually, that was an extremely well-played analogy and captured exactly what he was trying to say.

But yeah, people on BG tend to ignore these things....

No, it's not a good analogy at all. If you wanted to turn that analogy into one that actually worked you'd have to say that RNG esteem is equivalent to saying irl "I'm better because I spend more on fuel" since RNG has that consumables cost that most other jobs don't have. NIN, COR, and BST are the only other jobs that regularly use any amount of consumables, however none of those 3 fall apart without the most costly consumables quite like RNG does.

That analogy is like saying a cow's digestive system is better than a lion's because of it's inefficiency, much like that of a wood stove compared to natural gas.

[Kylex]

Actually, that was an extremely well-played analogy and captured exactly what he was trying to say.

But yeah, people on BG tend to ignore these things....

No, it's not a good analogy at all. If you wanted to turn that analogy into one that actually worked you'd have to say that RNG esteem is equivalent to saying irl "I'm better because I spend more on fuel" since RNG has that consumables cost that most other jobs don't have. NIN, COR, and BST are the only other jobs that regularly use any amount of consumables, however none of those 3 fall apart without the most costly consumables quite like RNG does.

That analogy is like saying a cow's digestive system is better than a lion's because of it's inefficiency, much like that of a wood stove compared to natural gas.

Well played

[levish]

Actually, that was an extremely well-played analogy and captured exactly what he was trying to say.

But yeah, people on BG tend to ignore these things....

No, it's not a good analogy at all. If you wanted to turn that analogy into one that actually worked you'd have to say that RNG esteem is equivalent to saying irl "I'm better because I spend more on fuel" since RNG has that consumables cost that most other jobs don't have. NIN, COR, and BST are the only other jobs that regularly use any amount of consumables, however none of those 3 fall apart without the most costly consumables quite like RNG does.

wut?

Try playing nin without tools, or a Cor without shooting/cards ... Sure Cor still gives buffs but you loose out on the glory that is being able to pump out some decent DD numbers as well and I'm not even going to go into detaill as to what happens to a nin without tools, it's ugly.

I do agree that Ranger should have the ability to be at least on Par (or slightly higher) with a pimped out Drk assuming similar levels of pimpedness though. I haven't seen a ranger in a party in a very long time and would like to see the kings of dps return.

[epigram]

I think you're overglorifing the price of ammo. As a bst I spend 20-30k/hr on pets. Sure a bst playing it cheap might spend 4-5k, but that isn't much different than a ranger using scorp arrows for tp. Unless you're TP'ing off cannon shells or something I think you need to go QQ in some other corner, but then again I can just spend 600k-1.2mil an hour using amigo's.

[Nikopiko]

DRK to a bit of a hit, i'm finding relative WS damage down almost 150-200 on the higher end. rough numbers from my merit last night ranked me lower than 73 WAR...in shit gear. I'm finding this to be a pretty fucking up surd joke from SE. RNG in my party was doing relatively well :D.

But Spinning slash, full HP with souleater/Last resort up, should easily break 1300 like before. even with SAM sub. (at least, the party before my maintenance proved that much. . .

Last night my highest w/ bard was exactly capped at 898. Couldnt go higher, no matter how hard i pushed the numbers, and double minuet. +75 str. Not to really bitch out SE, sure maybe some tweeking was needed, but dont make us the nerf of '07, damn, we were actually on par before...now we're not.

[Xavier]

NIN, COR, and BST are the only other jobs that regularly use any amount of consumables, however none of those 3 fall apart without the most costly consumables quite like RNG does.

wut?

Try playing nin without tools, or a Cor without shooting/cards ... Sure Cor still gives buffs but you loose out on the glory that is being able to pump out some decent DD numbers as well and I'm not even going to go into detaill as to what happens to a nin without tools, it's ugly.

I assume shihei wasn't one of the consumables he was suggesting a ninja could sacrifice. If your party is both good and has a RDM, you don't have to spend thousands of gil as a Ninja casting paralyze, slow and blind, nor should you really have to spam the elemental wheel since you'll be killing relatively fast anyway. Shihei is generally a consumable that most rangers also use while leveling up (although not as much as a ninja, to be sure) as well.

I understand what you're saying about COR, but on the same tolken, are you going to kick a BRD for not meleeing? If the COR is filling the role of a BRD in the party, and not a sudo-DD support job, then nobody is expecting its damage to contribute to the fights.

BST has a fairly good point in that their jugs are fairly costly, but at the same time, they're also not expected to join xp parties, and -can- technically level to 75 by simply charming mobs and not spending any gil at all.

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Velocity shot seems fairly powerful though, so I don't expect many rangers to be complaining anytime soon.

[Zarath]

I understand what you're saying about COR, but on the same tolken, are you going to kick a BRD for not meleeing? If the COR is filling the role of a BRD in the party, and not a sudo-DD support job, then nobody is expecting its damage to contribute to the fights.

I don't expect a BRD to melee, I expect them to either support heal or pull, like how I expect my CORs to be seudo DDers or Pullers.

I hate being stuck in with BRDs personally, CORs are not BRDs, we're offensive support players in merit and anything short is gimping our job up. In HNM we can play a role like a BRD where we're more of a passive support player but I still rather use /rdm for both MAB and Cures over /whm if we have enough status effect healers.

If you expect a COR to be a BRD, vite a BRD, not a COR cause they do a much better job at being a BRD than a COR will (u just won't get sexy rolls and damage in the same deal )