Summoner Annoucement

[Therin]

Phoenix isn't an outrageous possibility. It's completely possible that he's in his complete form in the past and we can get him.

I think this Monday will give us Alex/Odin as the very last update of TAU (like Diabolos was the very last update of COP) and we'll get Cait/Atmos towards the end of WOG when the 5th expansion is about to come out.

A fire elemental avatar (which unbalances all the others) that can cast Reraisega III on your party is pretty outrageous, to me. <_<

[Reapz]

A fire elemental avatar (which unbalances all the others) that can cast Reraisega III on your party is pretty outrageous, to me. <_<

But everyone would like SMN then! Oh my goodness.

[Rocl]

A fire elemental avatar (which unbalances all the others) that can cast Reraisega III on your party is pretty outrageous, to me. <_<

But everyone would like SMN then! Oh my goodness.

I swear people are dumb

[Hawkhellfire]

Phoenix isn't an outrageous possibility. It's completely possible that he's in his complete form in the past and we can get him.

I think this Monday will give us Alex/Odin as the very last update of TAU (like Diabolos was the very last update of COP) and we'll get Cait/Atmos towards the end of WOG when the 5th expansion is about to come out.

A fire elemental avatar (which unbalances all the others) that can cast Reraisega III on your party is pretty outrageous, to me. <_<

While Phoenix would most likely be firebased (oh noes...that makes 2 fire based avatars when the other elements only get 1. SE could never do something so crazy. *cough* lolhopestaff on pup *cough*) who said that he would get Reraisega III? And even if he did (which is complete speculation at this point), who's to say it's not his 2 hour. Using it once every 2 hours has got to be broken. I mean a WHM with RR3 on dies with a party wipe, gets up and casts Raise III on each member. Guess that's kind of broken too since it does the same thing. Maybe with this fabled RR3ga, the weakness could be double length to balance it out. Just think outside the box and there are ways to balance things.

[Jeryhn]

Phoenix isn't an outrageous possibility. It's completely possible that he's in his complete form in the past and we can get him.

As I said before, Phoenix died during the Meltdown, the event that caused Al'Taieu to fall into the Sea of Shu'meyu. We're only traveling ~30 years into the past to the Crystal War when the Shadow Lord was in power.

Another case for Odin and Alexander over other avatars: There's already a Bloodpact list set for them.
Stolen from otherwiki:

Odin
Sanngetall: AoE dispel that dispells all buffs.
Gagnrath: AoE damage and Terror.
Valfodr: AoE damage and Curse + Silence.
Geirrothr: AoE damage and Bind.
Ofnir: AoE damage.
Yggr: Gives Odin the ability to Intimidate players.

Alexander
Radiant Sacrament: Targeted AoE physical damage and Additional Effect: Magic Defense Down.
Void of Repentance: Single target Terror for several seconds.
Gospel of the Lost: Heals Alexander HP and removes debuffs.
Divine Spear: Aingle target move which has an Additional Effect: Attack Down.
Mega Holy: AoE Light damage.
Perfect Defense: Complete immunity to either magical, physical, or ranged attacks for a short period of time.

Compare to Selh'teus' Phoenix:

Phoenix
Redemption: Refills HP, MP, TP to max for everybody within range (this move fills TP to 300%)
Luminous Lance: Light-based damage + Stun
Revelation: Light-based damage

What are the odds SE wouldn't be lazy?

[Scorsese]

Yah but how looooooooong before they announce/release these? I'm getting bored w/ the ones I have now. :<

[rath]

Could list all Bahamuts moves too, doesn't mean you are getting him.

[Jeryhn]

Could list all Bahamuts moves too, doesn't mean you are getting him.

Did I say anything about Bahamut?

Please lurk moar. I'm already well aware we're not getting Bahamut.

[Scorsese]

Gotta admit, it'd be kinda cool if we did.^^

[Attila]

Could list all Bahamuts moves too, doesn't mean you are getting him.

Did I say anything about Bahamut?

Please lurk moar. I'm already well aware we're not getting Bahamut.

Umm... whoosh?

[Jeryhn]

Where was I whooshed? Odin and Alexander are both still possibilities until SE says otherwise.

[Rocl]

Yah but how looooooooong before they announce/release these? I'm getting bored w/ the ones I have now. :<

I think they're announcing which ones tonight, could be wrong though

[Attila]

Where was I whooshed? Odin and Alexander are both still possibilities until SE says otherwise.

Point being even if you can pull a supposed set list, doesn't make it anymore likely than anyone else (except for Bahamut b/c of the beforementioned reason)

note: I also figure it will be Odin and Alex, so I was just saying.

[klvino]

This thread is a waste until they release any REAL information.

[Valrath]

Well because it seems as if Atomos is a bad guy. Summoners have never been able to summon the bad guy in this game. Bahamut, Odin... just seems logical. It'd be neat if we could but Atomos is supposed to be linked to the maws somehow.

Diabolos is pretty much a "bad guy". >_>

Also - Atomos pretty much IS the Maw. I wouldn't say he's going to be a bad guy at all - he's just the apparatus that allows us to travel into the past. That's the way I see it, anyway.

Diabolos is neutral. Instead of resisting the apocalypse, he invites people to his realm.

Anyway, the next avatar is simple: It's Dues Ex Machina.

[DeliriumII]

I don't know what they will be at all. I'd like it to be phoenix and alexander personally. However, where is the "fix" where smn actually fits in merit pts. If using spirits is it, SE may as well give up on the job.

[Blackmagik]

Phoenix isn't an outrageous possibility. It's completely possible that he's in his complete form in the past and we can get him.

I think this Monday will give us Alex/Odin as the very last update of TAU (like Diabolos was the very last update of COP) and we'll get Cait/Atmos towards the end of WOG when the 5th expansion is about to come out.

i highly doubt they would give us alexander/odin and atmos, mostly because sort of the reason why we are not getting bahamut, Odin and Alexander are to "great" to be given to us, the fight that they had, its all legendary and all that, and to power/size them down to avatar would just ruin it (after all, Odin and Alexander are fucking huge!), same for Atomos, he is way to fucking huge to make him a summon, did you see that pic, he like is the size of earth!

That and unless they gave alexander another form, a big floating castle with no attack or movement animations would kill it, massivly

[Tomino]

Bahamut was "big" in 3d and concept terms : the sight of a flying dragon fighting against a ronfaure hare was comical to say the least. this takes out mounted Odin too, for the same exact reasons.

as for Power Levels, it's hard to determine who could or could not being summonable, since plot devices could always be used to prove this or that. for ex Fenrir wiped the whole Yagudo Army so i dont see him being inferior to Bahamut or Odin yet SMN can use him.

again, my bet is with "Luzaf style" Odin. he can be mighty and all, still plot-wise we just need him to recognize our valor/strengh so he lends a shard of his power.

[Zilong]

All this talk about another fire based avatar would unbalance the cycle.

Hello? Fenrir + Diabolos? Are you guys just fucking retarded or something?

[Blackmagik]

All this talk about another fire based avatar would unbalance the cycle.

Hello? Fenrir + Diabolos? Are you guys just fucking retarded or something?

isnt there 2 types of avatars? Celestial or w/e it is though?