THF/dancer?

[Lordwafik]

I'm with the gramatically inept one on this.

[TacoTaru]

well just ignor this changed my mind not lvling dancer got nerfed befor it even came out cant use anything good no homam no blau dolch god i hate SE >.>

But what about its access to Adder Jambiya!

[Calina]

well just ignor this changed my mind not lvling dancer got nerfed befor it even came out cant use anything good no homam no blau dolch god i hate SE >.>

But what about its access to Adder Jambiya!

Jambiya's suck and dancer only has access to dusk danali and that shity assault set that every noob gets cuase they cant afford 150k for a NQ SH

no good weapons no good armor give me a break this job is ganna be a joke worthless pre 15 as what its saposed to be a healer and worthless 70+ it dosent get enough acc gear that would let it land a dance on HNM/gods let alone kirin if dancer got all steps befor 37 dancer sub would have been even better then dancer main then it is alrdy ill have far higher chance of landing step on kirin as thf/dnc then dnc will as main witch is monumentaly sad

o and about blau dolch WTF sch can use it but dnc cant holy shit i hate SE they nerfed dancer befor they even put it out

unless they give dancer access to homam and blau dolch the job WILL be completly worthless endgame even more the PUP is pup can at least do some damage regardless how sucky it is dancer wont be able to hit and get tp on say kirin so it cant heal enfeeble nothing about all it can do is stand there and watch and ya sure /sam but 60 tp every 3mins isent like holy shit ya now i can help u get what like 3 cure waltz IV every 3 mins waste of time to use it for healing steps 10 tp can use it 6 times nice but opps it will never land and with recast of 1min kirin will be over by time you can try agen even if you get your tp to 300 befor start your ganna run out in seconds tryin to heal and there no chance of landing enfeebles

dancer ganna be a novilty in exp pts and even more of a joke then pup and drg at least they can do somthing regardless how limited it is all dancer gets to do is stand there and watch

and this kills me to say that cuase i realy wanted to lvl it. hand so much potential but no SE is retarded as always /sigh

[Bagel]

I for one hope that DNC gets a reputation as the next PUP so that I can level it without feeling b&wagon.

[Shadowhusky]

Dancer can wear SH, Ohat, snipers/woodsman, life belt. That's 40acc alone (Assuming 2xsniper/woods). Add in sushi and that's even more acc. Don't forget PCC, that's 50acc from gear alone. I think that's enough accuracy for dancer. Add in dagger merits too for good measure. And why not a Love Torque too. That's A LOT of acc gear.

Also, since when did you get to play dancer on endgame events and what not? It's not out yet, so you can't really claim it's useless on endgame stuff. Assuming dancer is a solid B rating in dagger, that's 265 dagger skill, a bit shy of THF's A- dagger skill. Sub THF and use a dagger belt, that's another +5 skill. 270 dagger skill isn't bad at all, combined with +50 acc and food.

[LinktheDeme]

I for one hope that DNC gets a reputation as the next PUP so that I can level it without feeling b&wagon.

I think that will be scholar i really don't see any uses for it atm.

[Calina]

Dancer can wear SH, Ohat, snipers/woodsman, life belt. That's 40acc alone (Assuming 2xsniper/woods). Add in sushi and that's even more acc. Don't forget PCC, that's 50acc from gear alone. I think that's enough accuracy for dancer. Add in dagger merits too for good measure. And why not a Love Torque too. That's A LOT of acc gear.

Also, since when did you get to play dancer on endgame events and what not? It's not out yet, so you can't really claim it's useless on endgame stuff. Assuming dancer is a solid B rating in dagger, that's 265 dagger skill, a bit shy of THF's A- dagger skill. Sub THF and use a dagger belt, that's another +5 skill. 270 dagger skill isn't bad at all, combined with +50 acc and food.

simple fact that as thf with love torque and pretty much every piece of thf gear except homam body i can only get 80ish% acc on kirin try that on dancer witch will prolly have b- skill looking from how tey gimped it gear wise so thats 240 skill +merits 256 + lmy torque thats 263 skill say i use Ohat assault body ulthalma's ring sniper +1 life belt and assault pants thats what +45 acc and sushi fine it can hit prolly like 50:50 but opps its ganna hit for 0 with the gimp daggers it gets

i have everything 70+ it can use and trst me they all suck usin what dancer can use id have maybe 60% acc but even then thats cuase i have 29 more skill then it does

if they gave dancer real daggers and armor then id shut up cuase i realy did want to play it but witch what it can use i can say its ganna suck 50% shot at landing step in a fight that only lasts 60 secs- maybe 1:45 on a melee kirin you miss first time witch odds are you wont hit by time the timer is up so you can miss agen the fights alrdy over

even with how gimped its ganna be i still may lvl it up in hopes SE will change there mind and not turn dancer into anouther lolpup ill prolly take it to 60 and leave it there incase AF turns out to be decent enough to use endgame but thats about it unless they getthere heads out of there colective asses

iam ganna say it agen i realy had high hopes for dancer /sigh

[Zarath]

I for one hope that DNC gets a reputation as the next PUP so that I can level it without feeling b&wagon.

I think that will be scholar i really don't see any uses for it atm.

Pretty much what I'm thinking, except as a sub. They're pretty much compete with RDMs but even then idk.

Calina, not be an ass or anything, but what are u expecting out of DNC really? You sound like you're expecting a "DD"esque job similar to that of THF, but I can tell right off the bat this isn't the case. Their actual physics of the job are all very unknown, and I believe ur jumping to conclusions atm, and quite frankly, B skill isn't that bad, it's just the DMG rating on Daggers is. I can hit about 50% of my slug shots at 100% on Kirin, ya know one of the most inaccurate WSes in the game, as a COR <<;.

Additionally, they gain the trait of Accuracy Bonus, which is a massive accuracy bonus, even at level 2 only. Personally for HNM instances I'm not even going to attempt poking em if I was a DNC, I'll sub /sam and gain tp in other methods. Damage will be pitiful enough without the help of THF's offensive abilities.

[Calina]

I for one hope that DNC gets a reputation as the next PUP so that I can level it without feeling b&wagon.

I think that will be scholar i really don't see any uses for it atm.

Pretty much what I'm thinking, except as a sub. They're pretty much compete with RDMs but even then idk.

Calina, not be an ass or anything, but what are u expecting out of DNC really? You sound like you're expecting a "DD"esque job similar to that of THF, but I can tell right off the bat this isn't the case. Their actual physics of the job are all very unknown, and I believe ur jumping to conclusions atm, and quite frankly, B skill isn't that bad, it's just the DMG rating on Daggers is. I can hit about 50% of my slug shots at 100% on Kirin, ya know one of the most inaccurate WSes in the game, as a COR <<;.

Additionally, they gain the trait of Accuracy Bonus, which is a massive accuracy bonus, even at level 2 only. Personally for HNM instances I'm not even going to attempt poking em if I was a DNC, I'll sub /sam and gain tp in other methods. Damage will be pitiful enough without the help of THF's offensive abilities.

what i was exspenting was a fun usfull endgame job i know it wouldent be DD obvisly and even with blau dolch and homam it wouldent be DD thf is my fav job ive played in any MMORPG was hoping to have somthing new to play with like thf but a little different cuase thf is nearing completion i wanted somthing fun and usefull for endgame thf is pretty much worthless endgame well how i play it anyway i refuse to be just a TH whore all i have for thf is DD gear for my thf i want to be usfull thats y i was looking into dancr sub a way to double up eva down on zerg fights so id be more usfull with my DD gear id have no trouble sticking steps and dances

dancer could be a great endgame job if givin proper gear and and weapons

[Hirosue]

With my 24% haste setup, mandau and drain samba 2, depending on recast times and duration as a subjob, it can be even better than /nin for solo if i can drain more than the mob demage me. As for other uses idk, as for the weapons SE must put some options before a "normal" person reach DAN lv 75.

[TacoTaru]

I agree with Zarath, not to be an ass but what were you expecting? Without actually playing the job we don't know how useful it will be yet. With B skill that puts it at 250. If you sub Thief that gives you access to dagger belt putting you at 255; throw in merits and a love torque and you're at 283. Toss on sushi and a little more accuracy, and throw on what appears to be the only useful dagger Dancer can use (Adder Jambiya) and you'll be landing a lot of your hits and having the chance at evasion down going off as the added effect upping everyone's accuracy as well as the dances you'll be using.

Doing that, I really don't see what makes Dancer so bad. Maybe if you don't have dagger merits you'll be lacking, but you say you have Thief to 75 so I'm assuming you do. Oh and Dancer has access to Dusk gear too, so you when you have enough accuracy you can starts swapping in that too.

*Edit*

Fwiw, you can hit 17% haste (19% with speed belt) getting your delay down to 2.8sec between swings without haste with just an AJ; 2.3sec with haste.

[Eaglestrike]

I don't expect Dancer to even be useful for HNM's, I think it'll just be a fun job to level up.

[TacoTaru]

I don't expect Dancer to even be useful for HNM's, I think it'll just be a fun job to level up.

If we assume that Aspir Samaba II is actually worthwhile, it would make it a decent dance in a tank party no?

[Eaglestrike]

I don't expect Dancer to even be useful for HNM's, I think it'll just be a fun job to level up.

If we assume that Aspir Samaba II is actually worthwhile, it would make it a decent dance in a tank party no?

It would, if not for:
The tanks need to hit to get any mp back and most tanks aren't going to connect too often. Damage per hit might also determine how much mp you get and no tank is going to hit hard.
Giving up a slot in the party is potentially giving up a more stable form of refresh (2 tanks, rdm/brd/cor/whm? who is getting kicked for a dancer?)

I think Dancer could be ok on some HNM's, like Cerb I usually see plenty of melee on him, so the drain samba on a melee party could at least counter blaze spikes when those are up (hopefully) and help heal the melee from lava spits.

But I don't see it being that great, since the dances look most useful for a small group. I honestly think both WotG jobs were put in mostly just to help exp parties and that's what they're looking at right now. I believe the jobs to be incomplete until SE sees how the players apply the job at 75, which might be why they lack so much gear.

[TacoTaru]

I see what you mean. I agree the dances look best when used in small groups, but I still think the potency of each dance will have to be tested before its completely shoved out of the picture. I think you're right about it not going in a tank party, but if Drain Samba is especially potent, or Haste Samba stacks with haste and march, it would have more possibilities elsewhere (like you said, countering spikes on Cerb; etc.

[Bakthi]

well just ignor this changed my mind not lvling dancer got nerfed befor it even came out cant use anything good no homam no blau dolch god i hate SE >.>

Not preventing me from lvling what seems like a fun job <<;. I have COR, it's just as bad for us ya know =/ (yay Wyrmal gear? lulz)

At least COR has Skadi, although if they ever give DNC a Salvage job set, it had better be Skadi. That, and COR can actually use Joyeuse, as opposed to whiff maniacally with Joyeuse. A TP-based job that, so far, doesn't have any nice multi-hit weapon options? yay?

However, I agree that it sure isn't going to stop me from leveling the job. It looks fun. It definitely looks like I can solo it for a good while, and it looks like a good sub for soloing other jobs 10+, farming, skilling up, etc. Sure...you can say all that about BST too, but I like new things.

[Zarath]

Depending on how they land their debuffs, will pretty much be a big part of how they play out in endgame imo, the usage of def down and eva down are really the only real merits I see for end game. And it purely depends on how much haste the haste dance gives as well, or if it stacks with other haste. To me it's just an alternate source of debuffs than anything else, and really as for lvling it up? I'll do it just for the fun of it.