The Version Update Has Arrived! (11/19/2007)

[Myrrial]

The Dev panel said the new Nyzul relics (where the new WSs come from) are still a couple patches away.

This is the confirmed source of the new WS? Well, I was dead wrong then. I was really hoping that such things would be more accessable. Oh well.

[Amele]

The whining from the 2handers must have meant they sucked at their job from the beginning
DRG got a 2nd acc trait...if your wearing GOOD gear, you've got snipers you've got your homam pieces that have haste + acc on it, Swift belt, PCC (or fucking specs, or love torque, idc) same applies to drk, mix n match as you see fit. Where does war need any more acc than they already had? Again, snipers PCC Hauby swift byakkos Bomblet...the 1 dex=1acc made it just so gimp ass people can be capable of not being completely laughed out of a party. Same applies to sam...and they have it even EASIER with hasso, and bushi (if your sam faithful). So changing the formula for 2:1 for dex seperates the shit players from the good ones who have invested actual time into their gear. They shouldnt have touched acc in the beginning, the only thing they needed to do was actually buff 2hander dmg, and with that came Y/G/K ownage (with Hagun, easy gimps who buy gil are breaking 1k+ amazing shit) and Guillotine being nerfed.

The part I don't understand is the whining coming from the SAMs. 2Handed weapons got buffed, and now they're wanted. SAM's WS got buffed as well, same as Guillotine. Guillotine got gimped, DRKs cried. Everyone told them to gtfo and embrace the new 2H buff. Now, SAMs are pussy-hurt for the same reason as DRKs.

minor nitpick: the change to y/g/k was only to the 100TP fTP mod.

so for 95% of sams out there (everyone who uses hagun) the weaponskills had no changes whatsoever. all it did was close the gap a bit between hagun and every other non-relic weapon. (which kinda pushed soboro a bit hard.)

sams are scared for the same reason every other 2hander is scared: SE has a much longer and more storied history of over nerfing than overbuffing.


and to everyone still complaining about dex=acc making gimps=elite players. God are you all that dumb? high accuracy does shit if you don't have high attack to go with it. the gap between a pre-buff dual wielder and a pre-buff 2hander was a hell of a lot wider than 15% (the acc difference that most 2h get 'for free'. the rest is gear choice and you can't generally get more dex than acc in most slots: b.haidate being the one big exception.)

[Stolin]

I'm going to start being BLM only so I don't have to worry about changing my melee setup every month.

Anyway, yay 4 no renta-room & new stuff, etc etc

[VZX]

The Dev panel said the new Nyzul relics (where the new WSs come from) are still a couple patches away.

This is the confirmed source of the new WS? Well, I was dead wrong then. I was really hoping that such things would be more accessable. Oh well.

I know they said about those weapons being an alternative relic and will boost the stats of current Relic WS once the new WS introduced. But did they said about the new WS will be coming from them?

[Xanthe]

The Dev panel said the new Nyzul relics (where the new WSs come from) are still a couple patches away.

This is the confirmed source of the new WS? Well, I was dead wrong then. I was really hoping that such things would be more accessable. Oh well.

I know they said about those weapons being an alternative relic and will boost the stats of current Relic WS once the new WS introduced. But did they said about the new WS will be coming from them?

I was admittedly connecting the dots with that statement, but it's the most logical conclusion at the moment.

[Aymee]

The part I don't understand is the whining coming from the SAMs.

Ok.

2Handed weapons got buffed, and now they're wanted.

...And now they're getting nerfed to a level that might be around where they started (though yes, we don't know just yet). Point being, they were wanted, and now fear not being wanted. Not difficult to understand.

I think SAM/DRG/DRK/2-hander WARs have a legit concern that they're being spat at and sent back to the depths after such a big deal was made of their revival by SE. Perhaps when SE showed that picture of dnc/nin at fanfest they were foreshadowing that they were making a point to get all melee to sub nin [again].

[devildrifterX]

I thought about leveling drk, the only reason for Guillotine cause it looked so bad ass lol, after all, drk SHOULD be hitting harder than every other melee...they give up def for off. why the fuck couldnt Prince Wut? leave drk be. Any sam who got their feelings hurt when they said they were lowering Y/G/K prolly weren't very good in the first place.

Speaking of which, wasnt Guillotine lowered to promote use of the other ws you guys have? Spiral hell or something like that. It shouldnt have been nerfed in the first place if they change acc back to 2:1 i think drk needs to have it WS fixed

[skurlover]

In before the 2handers whining. Oh wai...

Seriously, stop fucking whining, its not that big of a deal. Why have "accuracy" gear even in a game when you can turn around have another type of gear (which is generally cheaper before the update) magically start doing this (as well as give the other benefit of that stat, like Crit Hit+)?

If they want to do the DEX=ACC thing, fine, but do it for all jobs. It really is possibly the stupidest thing ever done to us 1 handers. Talk about isolation.

GTFO THF.
http://www.naijatalk.com/oldimages/GTFO.gif

Fixed for you.

This issue is larger in terms of the way Treasure Hunter was just decoded, it was our last saving grace as to getting parties. As for the "Buff" that THF just got, gtfo SE with that lame ass toy.

[Intense]

last I checked it made acc gear cheaper too. and since when is people wearing different gear *not* a good thing?

I kinda arghhh'd when acc rings went down in price because I lost value on my investments. I know that everyones lost value with overall deflation, but this was an added annoyance for me who doesnt have any 2-handed weapon jobs.

[Cautery]

If I dont flag the "run in windower mode" can I still play in full screen and press ALT+TAB w/o crashing?

[Lordshin]

I thought about leveling drk, the only reason for Guillotine cause it looked so bad ass lol, after all, drk SHOULD be hitting harder than every other melee...they give up def for off. why the fuck couldnt Prince Wut? leave drk be. Any sam who got their feelings hurt when they said they were lowering Y/G/K prolly weren't very good in the first place.

Speaking of which, wasnt Guillotine lowered to promote use of the other ws you guys have? Spiral hell or something like that. It shouldnt have been nerfed in the first place if they change acc back to 2:1 i think drk needs to have it WS fixed

yeah... i noticed how my Cross Reaper was doing about the same as my Guillotine (on average).. but of course Guillo did a lot more... sometimes >.> this is at 66 btw

I dont get people are starting to whine now... we dont know what they'll do (i hope its make ONLY STR 2:1)

[Croaker]

Peiste Dart
DMG:15 Delay:162 STR+1 AGI+1
Lv.50 WAR/RDM/THF/DRK/NIN/COR

This looks pretty nice for claims. 6 less delay than other darts.

[Builttolast]

It is no longer necessary to speak with an NPC to move to a Rent-a-Room.

*blinks* At last something useful lol. A long time coming if you ask me =D>

[Yutuyu]

First of all about the new weapon skills:

They've stated that they're adding them this patch. It was said. And they've also stated Nyzul relics are still a couple of patches off. Thus, the new weapon skills are independant of Nyzul relics. They'll probably be from a quest in WotG areas I bet.



And about the 2 hander nerf...

The main reason 2 handers are upset is because we've been nerfed 2 patches in a row now. Once to balance things, sure. But twice in a row, when the only job that was overpowered was SAM?

And then consider how hugely they nerfed sam this update. We don't know specifics yet but SAM got hit with a dual nerf, both directly to our weapon skills and the general 2 hander nerf. They keep giving us shit then taking it away.

In the end we'll probably end up with a negligable at-best bonus to our attack and accuracy and shitty grips which are inferior to even off-handing dual wielder's bonuses.

[Khrno]

I thought about leveling drk, the only reason for Guillotine cause it looked so bad ass lol, after all, drk SHOULD be hitting harder than every other melee...they give up def for off. why the fuck couldnt Prince Wut? leave drk be. Any sam who got their feelings hurt when they said they were lowering Y/G/K prolly weren't very good in the first place.

Speaking of which, wasnt Guillotine lowered to promote use of the other ws you guys have? Spiral hell or something like that. It shouldnt have been nerfed in the first place if they change acc back to 2:1 i think drk needs to have it WS fixed

Drk is the hardest hitting DD aside RNGs. Same for WS wise, being either on avergae ws numbers or spike (SA/WS), just second to RNGs, which it is and has been always like that, even during the update-patch time were SAMs were just too much i wasn't being out-averaged on ws damage by them (by average meas the average w damage, not total ws damage, just to clarify if it wasn't clear enough).

Guillotine got Acc reduction for this reason, because hitting a 4 hit Guillo means hitting for 1200-1400 as easy as that (and that's just at 100% TP since TP doesn't affect Guillo dmg).

DRK doesn't need to have the WS fixed, besides Warrior's Charge/Steel Cyclone (with SA or w/o it), my SH and GS hit just almost as hard and harder if i get a DA or TA, so there is no problem there. And Guillotine wise, how i just said, i still haven't been outparsed on ws average dmg yet.

Spinning Slash is always sweet and very consistent against HNMs, and Cross Reaper, well I haven't used it since after doing some tests with it after they said it got something fixed, but Guillotine is better, so I don't really care about CR.

[Ruby]

If I dont flag the "run in windower mode" can I still play in full screen and press ALT+TAB w/o crashing?

i don't think so.

but i can't even find the "run in windower mode" option. HALP!

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[devildrifterX]

and to everyone still complaining about dex=acc making gimps=elite players. God are you all that dumb? high accuracy does shit if you don't have high attack to go with it. the gap between a pre-buff dual wielder and a pre-buff 2hander was a hell of a lot wider than 15% (the acc difference that most 2h get 'for free'. the rest is gear choice and you can't generally get more dex than acc in most slots: b.haidate being the one big exception.)

Percisely the point, they got FREE acc, all you needed to do was slap a lil dex on it, and eat meat and pretty much destroy anyone who invested mils in Snipers+1 or the hardcore camping of faf/niddy for A.Hauberk. Yes, 2handers needed AN ATTACK BOOST but they shouldnt have it easy as hell to get good dmg. Only the elite 2handers should hang with the elite dual wielders. Change acc back to what it was.

[Khalil]

The part I don't understand is the whining coming from the SAMs.

Ok.

2Handed weapons got buffed, and now they're wanted.

...And now they're getting nerfed to a level that might be around where they started (though yes, we don't know just yet). Point being, they were wanted, and now fear not being wanted. Not difficult to understand.

I think SAM/DRG/DRK/2-hander WARs have a legit concern that they're being spat at and sent back to the depths after such a big deal was made of their revival by SE. Perhaps when SE showed that picture of dnc/nin at fanfest they were foreshadowing that they were making a point to get all melee to sub nin [again].

No, they're still going to be wanted. The only thing that SAMs could do easily was break 1k, which a lot of 2H jobs kinda struggled to get. They're evening (sp?) the playing field. Don't cry.

Speaking of Nyzul Isle relics, Ican't wait what they do with them.

[Zekyr]

If I dont flag the "run in windower mode" can I still play in full screen and press ALT+TAB
but i can't even find the "run in windower mode" option. HALP!

C:\Program Files\PlayOnline\SquareEnix\FINAL FANTASY XI\ToolsUS\FINAL FANTASY XI Config.exe

Check "Start Game in Windowed Mode"

Ignore SE's complaint that "YOU'LL GET LESS FPS AND IT WILL LOOK AWFUL HOLY CRAP"

Done