The Version Update Has Arrived! (11/19/2007)

[Apelila]

Thanks for the macro update guys. updating 4 computers + xbox right now = sloooooooooooooow

well i cntrl+f'd "Snarl" through all pages and didnt come up with anything beyond the first post on the first page

only can be used with call beast

fail

I thought I clarified that in my fest report. Damn, sorry. You might have had better luck with 'bst provoke' since thats what I've seen it reffered to everywhere by nonbsts'. Also: Fail, Really? When was the last time you charmed something in limbus/dynamis/ein/god fight/list goes on. It could make for some really interesting hate building / kiting strats. Too bad they fixed Mazurka, or BST/BRD would own every fucking thing ever for hate. But hey, at least bar spells generate enmity like a hooker at a cop convention.

[Shamaya]

I'm turning over in my head the possibility of thief tanking at events. I'm wondering. Two thieves in an otherwise mage party, taking hate off of the mages if the recast is low enough, the thieves trick attacking each other and sneak attacking while the other has hate. But my guess is something like a 20 minute recast =/ based on what I read.

Crossing fingers =X

[Eander]

I didn't read to see if anyone else bitched about this, but Limbus has been around for how fucking long and the just now add proper icons for Ultima/Omega drops? wtf, what's the goddamn point of adding them now?

[Reality]

limbus/dynamis/ein/god fight/list goes on

i'd never come as BST to any of those events because I have bard at 75 ;(

[SephYuyX]

Also: Fail, Really? When was the last time you charmed something in limbus/dynamis/ein/god fight/list goes on.

On the other hand, I CAN count how many times ive ever called a jugpet, ever. Seven. Four during XP, and three to mess around with. Maybe if jugpets wernt made of fail and suck, they could be useful.

Great! My pet has hate! Ill use my new ability to secure it even more! Oh god, it died in 3 hits, darn.

[layoneil]

I didn't read to see if anyone else bitched about this, but Limbus has been around for how fucking long and the just now add proper icons for Ultima/Omega drops? wtf, what's the goddamn point of adding them now?

it took them about that long to reskin Byakko, Genbu and Co.

[Cyprias]

I didn't read to see if anyone else bitched about this, but Limbus has been around for how fucking long and the just now add proper icons for Ultima/Omega drops? wtf, what's the goddamn point of adding them now?

You mean like Beastmen Seals?

[Akiyama]

I didn't read to see if anyone else bitched about this, but Limbus has been around for how fucking long and the just now add proper icons for Ultima/Omega drops? wtf, what's the goddamn point of adding them now?

You mean like Beastmen Seals?

That look like deer shit x.x

[lilfoo]

I'm turning over in my head the possibility of thief tanking at events. I'm wondering. Two thieves in an otherwise mage party, taking hate off of the mages if the recast is low enough, the thieves trick attacking each other and sneak attacking while the other has hate. But my guess is something like a 20 minute recast =/ based on what I read.

Crossing fingers =X

THF was never meant to be a tank. with our low DPS and spamming of SATA your never going to hold hate over another job. this ability is more along the lines of your DRK/SAM just did a 1.7k WS and you save his ass from being an mp sponge. Depending on recast maybe a few THFs doing on a SE+BW+KC DRK to try to extend his life span afterwards.

[Shamaya]

Yeah that's a great application for accomplice. Surely it was not meant to tank. Question is - can it tank. I don't care about the low DPS on daggers. I know what I parse on high level mobs. If I can actually sneak and trick continuously, the parse is generally pretty decent. Main reason we're not in for those fights is not because we parse amazingly low, but because we give high amounts of TP to the mob. Also, the reason I mentioned 2Thf is because that allows them to keep trick damage on themselves, not put it on others. If accomplice was on a very low recast, keeping hate would probably be no problem, and we'd be able to do just fine on a tanking setup. Not like LS's are dying to have some other job tank, but I think it would be a fun alternative - this one only being viable if the recast is low enough, which we'll probably find out shortly that it isn't

[Max™]

Well, we do need to remember that they sky might not be falling, Chicken Little. They could be rolling back the Att buff, the Acc buff, partial on either, full on either, full on both, we don't know yet, just that there is a change coming.

An unfortunate one, myself, I was enjoying being able to trade out lots of accuracy for haste without having Ebody or Haidate yet, and as I get closer to haidate, seeing it go from possibly being haidate +1, 15 Acc, 15 Dex, 5% Haste, to a normal pair, with the 7.5 Acc and all, is a little sad.

[Falisa]

Hmmm... this new FFXI windower feels buggy. Makes everything else on the comp a little lagged and stuff is funky in the game.

[devildrifterX]

The acc change was still unnecesarry, short n simple. Damage what was needed to be fixed, not acc. 1 STR should equal 1 Attack. Gimp to me is a drg or drk wearing full AF wearing str gear, and never on my days as a sam before i actually got sky gear was i being outparsed by some sorry ass mnk/war with str gear, wearing warwolf/life belt eating sushi, whining about bird camp cause they cant use sushi.

Since i hit 60, ages ago on sam, i never had an issue with acc...all you needed was +40 and you were easily in meat territory (even more so now with Hasso...drgs with 2nd acc trait) Why did people need more acc for if SE simply changed the dmg the first time?

As for thf, that hate steal move does seem pretty interesting, maybe in certain BCs to win or...einherjar, sleepga and steal hate (or does that work for all mobs?) And with Evasion gear it would be pretty possible to kite multiple crap around (graviga) with ease...couldnt see THF maintanking anything, cause they wouldnt have a way to make hate, like nin/drk pld/nin

[evilpaul]

Is this an old dat? If not, is it a new icon for ls ?

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u...fxi/wuthuh.jpg

I seem to recall reading about some Campaign monsters having a "war icon" by their heads or something?

I'm going to start being BLM only so I don't have to worry about changing my melee setup every month.

Anyway, yay 4 no renta-room & new stuff, etc etc

As much as it pains me, I have to admit this change alone makes the update at least 85% win. It was one of those things that I was wondering years ago why they couldn't just do it automatically. It wasn't like talking to Fulchia after running by her made the game more immersive or something.

Anyway,
I personally am a little excited as a crafter seeing Carbon Dioxide (assuming it comes from something other than Movalpolos Water as it might be able to replace Moval. Water in some recipes), the Fin Sushi, and Salmon Sushi...of course I NPC'd 8 stacks of Cheval Salmon after being unable to sell the damned things from skilling fishing.

Also, it's purty:
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/7...7113600rj1.jpg

[RKenshin]

SE is just horrible at their attempts to nerf/buff things most of the time.

The 1DEX=1Acc and 1STR=1Att conversions were both pretty necessary together in order for the whole higher PDIF cap thing to mean anything at all... Which is now going to be the downfall of their decision to adjust 2h weapons this way. IIRC the values of attack needed to take advantage of the higher PDIF cap are in the range of 850-1200 attack, and there's no way you're hitting those values on a consistant basis without both of those conversions.

Take away or nerf the 1STR=1Att, and you lose native attack towards reaching those values, making it much more difficult or impossible to hit it depending on the situation (ie, no BRD or COR = lolyou). Take away or nerf the 1DEX=1Acc, and you lessen the chances of meat being a viable option for a given situation, which likewise makes it much more difficult or impossible to hit depending on the situation.

Depending on how severly they adjust STR/DEX's influence on att/acc, it looks like most 2h'ers will be back in the range of effectiveness before the 2h boosts. But of course we won't see for sure until we find out how severe it is! Either way, it wasn't the best way to go about adjusting 2h weapons in the first place IMO.

[Grey Jorildyn]

So like, what will happen when you force someone out of your mog house while they're synthing your friends Sha'ir Manteel kekekeke

[Shamaya]

Accomplice, <just used it>. 5 minute recast. Hmm..

Also this windower is damn horrible so far. lol

[Mayareira]

Hm...it looks like 1 STR is roughly 0.8 attack now for 2 handers.

[Shamaya]

Gogo find the dex.

[Don Katsu]

Hm...it looks like 1 STR is roughly 0.8 attack now for 2 handers.

Higher than that

Pallas Bracelets are giving 8 Attack

9 STR x .80 attack = would be 7.2 attack or 7 attack