Campaign discussion

[Kkel]

I was waiting around Vunkerl Inlet [S] when a bunch of San d'Orian knights showed up, lead by an Amano weilding SAM. There was no campaign going on, but they just started bashing on the tower there. While they were there i was able to hit the tower with AoE spells (Diaga) and WS's (Earth Crusher), but as soon as they left i was no longer able to hit the tower with either.

Maybe this is part of the evolving battle tactics of the nations?

Edit: I just checked with Voucheramme on the current strategy of San d'Oria. We're currently Focusing on pre-emptive strikes and giving consideration to diversionary tactics, so this might explain the hit-and-runs going on with the San d'Orian NPCs.

[Casey_]

I tried defending gustaberg to just find a quadav NM that spams the wrath of ghu'da for 1.3k every time >.>

[Lucavi]

C'mon SE, get it together! The Quadav are retarded.

You do realize that if you kill those regular orcs it will make a difference in campaign right?

You do realize that the Sandorians and Windurstans aren't really going crazy killing their non-campaign beastmen as they slaughter them? Yes, I do know that killing the quadav would make a difference, but that doesn't change the fact that its much harder to actually make a difference as a Bastokan.

QQing yes, but all across the servers, people are commenting on how the turtlebacks are harder than the other two, especially the pansy-ass Orcs, who are complete jokes outside of One-Eyed.

[Maxxthepenguin]

The key to killing quadav is having a BLU who uses frightful roar whenever they use shell guard.

It really REALLY helps

[Kkel]

There's got to be other mobs that attack besides the Quadav. E. Ronfaure [E] constantly has Orcs, Formors, Gnat swarms... I was in a Campaign Battle last night to take Jugner for San d'Oria and the primary mobs were Gnoles, which was... unpleasent. -_-

[Septimus]

There's got to be other mobs that attack besides the Quadav. E. Ronfaure [E] constantly has Orcs, Formors, Gnat swarms... I was in a Campaign Battle last night to take Jugner for San d'Oria and the primary mobs were Gnoles, which was... unpleasent. -_-

We had Shadowhand attack yesterday at the same time as the Quadovs. (And no NPCs.)

And a terrible time was had by all. >_<

[Soraan]

Just did one of the most epic Campaigns yet. I started out just going to West Saru (S) like always - expecting a rather easy Campaign. Started off fine with some NIN yags + NM attacking, so we started killing those (had like 5 ppl), then all of a sudden, more yags and another NM came from another direction. I tried to kite them around and did fairly well as RDM/WHM. Died once, but we managed to kill all the yags with (at that point) about 7-9 people. Music was still playing, so I was like "uhh, hrm... ok."

So around 1 min later, Shadowfang and his gay dark elementals showed up and they raped people overall, lol. I tried kiting them and did well for about 5-10 minutes, but then they eventually got too much for me to handle, so I died. A few other RDMs came and we worked out kiting arrangements to each take a few elements while the DD worked on killing one at a time. Was rather impressed with how we helped each other and worked together. Then at the end when we really didn't need the NPCs, they showed up and of course were the DD-kind instead of all the taru mages we were used to. What is up with the NPCs anyways? Pre-patch they would show up right away, now either don't come or come very late. Anyways...

We ended up killing them all and...

http://home.alltel.net/matt114/2995.jpg



I think that was cap because someone else got 2995 XP and 1300ish AN.

That was probably the most fun Campaign I've done though.

EDIT: I ranked up yesterday, too.

[Aerin]

Ya Bastok got the shaft for sure with Campaign. I agree with what was said earlier, that Bastok has the least people (or least willing people) to defend it, and we get the hardest mobs, woooo!

It's funny too, last night when there was no campaigns going on, as soon as one popped up everyone would tele to the zone and there'd be 50+ people there sometimes. But when Pashow was the only one on the map, it was just me and a WHM in the zone the whole time. Good times

[Kaylia]

Hardest mobs mean longer attack, and since you are from bastok, you can make more points. It's not that bad. Hopefully, they are going to balance a lot of stuff in 2 months with next update.

[Rheya]

Is there any connection between Shadowhand and Shadowfang? They seem to be the only NPC's to appear in any nation's campaign arena. Perhaps they play out to be WotG's Dark Rider-esque character?

[Max™]

O.O

2995 is cap on Exp/Limits?

Wow, that is awesome.

[Ddong]

Just curious were you dead for a long period of time?

For some reason when I do campaign if I'm dead longer then I'm alive, I get a lot more exp.

[Max™]

My god, if they can get Campaign adjusted properly, and you catch the right ones, doing 3 Campaigns and getting a merit just screwing around hitting shit would be amazing.

Also, it would destroy any chances of seeing the AC back, short of putting superbuff Campaign NPC's in Whitegate.

[Soraan]

Just curious were you dead for a long period of time?

For some reason when I do campaign if I'm dead longer then I'm alive, I get a lot more exp.

Hrm, nah not really. I was dead for about 45s-1min while WHM Reraised and got MP back. The rest of the time I kited around mobs; besides, I thought you get less if you die.

[Khamsin]

Just curious were you dead for a long period of time?

For some reason when I do campaign if I'm dead longer then I'm alive, I get a lot more exp.

Hrm, nah not really. I was dead for about 45s-1min while WHM Reraised and got MP back. The rest of the time I kited around mobs; besides, I thought you get less if you die.

I've always gotten a little more than I expected if I died, almost as if there were some point value associated with taking it up the ass. However, if you stay down too long, you'll miss out on other point-gaining activities, so yes, you would get less if you die compared to if you kept active.

[Ddong]

I see. I was just curious because I'm struggling to break 400ish for x amount of work. Yet when I do a little less than what I would for that 400ish exp, I would get 600+ if I died.

[Suiram]

I've been thinking about this, too. The major limiting factor in getting good exp/AN is the amount of time campaign lasts. It's easy to rack up 1-1.5k points in 10 min, but if the battle ends at that point you only get 400-600ish, and you know you got capped by time because your exp bonus equals your AN bonus rather than being about twice that. However, one time after about 10 min of fighting, I died just before Campaign ended. I was somewhat off by myself and nobody saw me to raise, and when a friend came 15 minutes later and raised me, i got 1.2k exp from it. I'm wondering if the fact that when you are dead you retain the campaign icon also means it extends the timer that determines the secondary cap on exp and AN.

[oxx2]

dying doesnt give u less thats for sure ive done alot of that and hit my highest numbers (850+)

[Garvin]

I've been thinking about this, too. The major limiting factor in getting good exp/AN is the amount of time campaign lasts. It's easy to rack up 1-1.5k points in 10 min, but if the battle ends at that point you only get 400-600ish, and you know you got capped by time because your exp bonus equals your AN bonus rather than being about twice that. However, one time after about 10 min of fighting, I died just before Campaign ended. I was somewhat off by myself and nobody saw me to raise, and when a friend came 15 minutes later and raised me, i got 1.2k exp from it. I'm wondering if the fact that when you are dead you retain the campaign icon also means it extends the timer that determines the secondary cap on exp and AN.

I've been playing around with this myself sort of, just sitting with tags on for a few minutes after the battle ends. It seems to work that way as well, but I honestly have no idea what the appropriate length of time is. Sitting for a few minutes seems to consistantly yield higher numbers (700+) than immediately turning in though.

[Soraan]

Yeah, it was by far the longest Campaign I've ever taken part in and actually won. And I got about 6 times the reward I usually do (usually 550).