Campaign discussion

[Halion]

If you really jump around in campaign going to every one that comes up that you can manage to make, then yes you will notice that every beastman race has a "hard" troop, but the Bastok zones regardless of their standings and statistics are challenged more often than the others.
On Diabolos the zone with Campaign happening most often is Jugner which has it multiple times in a row quite often and the only hard thing I have seen yet from Orcs is Conqueror Bakgodek who compared to the other hard bosses is really not that bad at all. He counters hard, but the rest of his troop is normal strength and his defense is not even so high as regular mobs under at least two Bastokan troops that I have seen in both beastman and Bastokan controlled areas. For the record, Windurst is in last on my server yet the frequency of the hard Yagudos is not equal or greater than the frequency of the hard Quadavs. In continuous hours of Campaign, nights in a row, I have yet to see the Yagudo and Orc troops to rival the THF and PLD quadav troops. I believe that they exist due to what other people have said, they are simply uncommon compared to Quadav.
This is the imbalance, when everyone who does Campaign is going to everyone fight that pops up it cannot be attributed to Bastok and it being supposedly often the last nation on most servers Conquest rankings.

I have never been hit for more then 900 by any Quad NMs AoE.

Find the troop guarding Rolanberry if is under beastman control and I guarantee you will get one-shotted.

[Judai]

Weird, cause it worked for me a few times. I simply turned the mob and the NPCs didn't move. It's especially great for the RDM/RNG NPCs or w/e they are as they usually line up in one spot and you just face the Quad at them.

[Priran]

Conqueror Bakgodek who compared to the other hard bosses is really not that bad at all. He counters hard, but the rest of his troop is normal strength and his defense is not even so high as regular mobs

I lol'd

[yayajax]

Instead of the Quads-Bastok issue I want to bring up another subject about NPCs, hope everyone can be kindly enough to give me more info and confirmation.

I have noticed the more areas under a nation control and the more and different kind of troop NPCs available.
Like Sandy I have seen 2 set of Knights, Royal Archers and Drg armies and Sandy has 5 areas under control.
In Bastok's case there are only the Invincible Shield, SCH in Grauberg and the 1st Legionare troops with Galkas.
Windy has 4 areas under control, and their troops are the BSTs, SMNs, MNKs, and BLMs.

After a few battles in Jugner, it seems like when an army has lauched for a battle, if there are more available armies awaiting for orders, the NPCs will rotate their duty. Example, first battle with Royal Archers and second battle with Royal Knights so the archers can rest, logically.

Now if what I find out is true, Bastok is lack of NPCs support with less area under control. There is insufficient armies to rotate their duties as we all can see Invincible Shield is always at Gusta or not appearing at all, so is for the SCH herself.

[yayajax]

I just finished a Grauberg Campaign battle against quadavs...

I stop reading after this, please try a Rolenberry or Pashhow battle.

[Priran]

I just finished a Grauberg Campaign battle against quadavs...

I stop reading after this, please try a Rolenberry or Pashhow battle.

Unless you think I can solo them all, no such luck. Like I said, there's apparently something intriguing about the architecture of their fort or something because no one does anything but STARE.

Like it matters, regardless? Any general can show up to any battlefield, I've been tag teamed by both One-Eye AND Bakgodek in Jugner, which is in the same relative position as Grauberg.

[Yutuyu]

I challenge you to find a single server where Rolanberry or Pashhow is controlled by a nation.

[Judai]

I challenge you to find a single server where Rolanberry or Pashhow is controlled by a nation.

I challenge you to find a server where Bastok doesn't suck ass at everything Conquest/Campaign related. There is a reason ppl nicknamed it Lastok. It came in last on almost every server in that wotg/glasses thing for a reason.

[Lucavi]

Is this it? Is this your flawless reasoning? Lets get to work:

Quad TP moves only make NPCs useless because the noob players constantly turn the Quads all around. Learn2tank them and turn them so the NPCs aren't whacking from behind. I said, nothing except the Orc BLM ga3ing me has one shot my Taru ass. The most I have been hit for other then that was 1k by Yagudo. I have never been hit for more then 900 by any Quad NMs AoE.

So you expect up to 40 people to be able to stand ON TOP OF EACHOTHER in all that lag, just so the NPCs can do some damage? Why does no other nation have to do this? Why is Bastok thrust into a war with one foot in the grave already? Now that I've slaughtered that point, I'm going to ask you once again to seriously fight without utsusemi at Rolanberry. Go see how hard you get one-shotted by any of the Qulun Heavyshells -- if you try to come back here after that with this bullshit, I'll know that you're simply in blind denial.

You could always try kiting the NM while people kill the smaller Quads. People can also sleep them or even kite them and work on one at a time. I am constantly sleeping hordes of mobs in campaign so people can work on them one at a time. Some people don't get that though and just hit w/e.

I'll break this one apart:

1) Name me a "smaller Quad" at Rolanberry. Go on -- just try it, and then go and actually SOLO that "smaller Quad" for me. Hell, I'll make a mule on your server and will watch you do it just to see this in action.

2) Everyone has learned on Hades by now how to fight Quads -- nobody just AOE DOTs or ga-spells anyone unless its sleepga -- we pull one or two quads, and spend the entire time "trying" to kill them before the NPCs hit the fort and start dying to quads because they can't move to fight the quads in the front due to an ability that was obviously designed without considering how NPCs would be able to tackle it.

More people go to Windy/Sandy ones then Bastok from my pov so that would be why Quads aren't destroyed with such ease.

Now speak from our servers, where everyone goes to every fight and still struggles against the Quad vs. the other Beastmen. Even the Kindred are a joke compared to the Quads. Oh wait -- you can't speak from our servers. I guess you'll have to just trust the dozens of people in here trying to explain to you how things are on their individual servers. Its not just me -- I'm just spearheading the charge against blind ignorance.

Why is Bastokians don't think about how to exploit their enemies weakness and instead QQ and ask for a nerf? I have to assume this is how SE intended them since there has been like 5 maints and nothing has changed with the Quads.

You're making a back-handed insult twords your precious Sandorians and Windurstans, because for the 30000th time (and I stress the cool cruise control for this one) EVERYONE FIGHTS AT EVERY ZONE HERE AND STILL STRUGGLES AGAINST THE QUADS AT ROLANBERRY AND PASHHOW! You're essentially claiming that your fellow citizens are blithering idiots because they're doing what the grand majority of PC players -- whether bastok or other -- are doing! Keep insulting everyone, why don't you: it makes for great conversation over tea.

I just finished a Grauberg Campaign battle against quadavs where

Stop, turn around, warp to your town, then warp out to Rolanberry, and wait for a Campaign. When one starts, engage any Quad, turn off your utsu, and attack. Log how long it takes for you to die, and then come back and report to us.

I just drg/whmed 3 Orc wars at Jugner with no problem, with 2 beating on my side and myself fighting the last. Then I went to Gustaberg and duoed 4 Gigas while everyone else was at Saru, and did just fine (although the mnk was putting up most of the damage due to the constant poisona-spam). Could I do that at Rolanberry? Not a goddamned chance.

[yayajax]

Like it matters, regardless? Any general can show up to any battlefield, I've been tag teamed by both One-Eye AND Bakgodek in Jugner, which is in the same relative position as Grauberg.

I like it you are talking about NMs, we are talking about regular Quads in those 2 specific zones and Crawler's Nest. I have fought Bakgodek and Yag NIN NM, they are really hard to handle pretty much everywhere Bakgodek walks pass is only corpses on the floor and Yag NIN has it 1k AOE damage move too.

However, I am sure Midgard and many other servers are working hard to grind down the Quads, not looking for a nerf on them either. Bastokans should just face to it as a destiny. If the Quads are as easy as the common Orcs this Campaign is nothing fun, gotta be some mobs harder. Unfortunately they are not Kindred or Shadow they are the Quads one of the primary beastmen surprise us. At least, fighting the hardest race beastman up to this point and not busting up faces should be what proud of doing it for Bastok.

[Lucavi]

Unless you think I can solo them all, no such luck. Like I said, there's apparently something intriguing about the architecture of their fort or something because no one does anything but STARE.

Because it fucking HURTS to fight them! Christ almighty -- if you want to prove a point, you're failing at every turn. People are hesitant to engage because they are BROKEN! Why else would people NOT want to get as much xp as humanly possible? What else are they out there for -- the new flowers on the ground don't look that pretty.

I challenge you to find a server where Bastok doesn't suck ass at everything Conquest/Campaign related. There is a reason ppl nicknamed it Lastok. It came in last on almost every server in that wotg/glasses thing for a reason.

Checkmate. You lose. This is the only excuse you can come up with, and it has 0% relevancy to the issue at hand. Every Windurstan and Sandorian on Hades comes out to these fights alongside us Bastokans, and we all lose every time. Fuck your bullshit, redundant logic -- think of something a bit better, as conflict or stupid events for cheesy sunglasses have NOTHING to do with the Quad kicking ass and chewing bubblegum across all servers in these two zones.

I will personally come to your server and pay you 100k to come up with an increasingly logical response to these questions -- if this is your maximum capacity for providing solid counter-points in a discussion, then I pity you.

For the record: learn reading comprehension. Bastok has lead in Conquest for the past 3 weeks. Get out of your 04 mindset, or should I re-introduce you to Deco Weapons arrowburn?

However, I am sure Midgard and many other servers are working hard to grind down the Quads, not looking for a nerf on them either. Bastokans should just face to it as a destiny. If the Quads are as easy as the common Orcs this Campaign is nothing fun, gotta be some mobs harder. Unfortunately they are not Kindred or Shadow they are the Quads one of the primary beastmen surprise us. At least, fighting the hardest race beastman up to this point and not busting up faces should be what proud of doing it for Bastok.

I'm very proud to have the challenge of fighting the toughest mobs in Campaign on a regular basis for my country, but for once, I wish Bastok didn't have one hand nailed behind its proverbial back -- if its not mass numbers from manthra/taru or Lord of the rings appeal for population, its AI-abusing and borderline-broken campaign mobs in 3 critical zones which could limit the amount of Campaign Ops. and missions that loyal bastokans get to engage in.

If I can experience everything WotG has to offer story-wise without having to win those 3 areas, then fuck it -- I just don't want to miss out because of some horribly gross oversight by SE.

[Daimen-G]

I challenge you to find a server where Bastok doesn't suck ass at everything Conquest/Campaign related. There is a reason ppl nicknamed it Lastok. It came in last on almost every server in that wotg/glasses thing for a reason.

challenge accepted

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oh hey what do you know both at the same time

[Judai]

Man, you really are stupid. Try fighting the Yags and Orcs with no Utsu. I bet thinsg like Sweep spam and Battle Dance will own you. I already said I solo'd a Vanguard Khud or w/e in Rolan, I forget the name. BLU just owns Quads I guess though.. I guess a RDM did cure me a few times, so make it a duo. I guess HAdes just sucks? idk.

Not going to argue anymore because it's quite obvious you haven't fought against any hard mobs in Yagudo/Orc lands. It's hard to solo Quads when everyone just stares at them instead of pulling/kiting/sleeping a few. I try my hardest to pick off mobs from the Forts but it's not worth it. It's just as hard in Meri Mnts when nobody shows up there and there are like 3 groups of Yags around it. Usually I just aga3>sleepga and die/rr and repeat when I'm bored and want AN.

All the Shadow mobs I have come accross were easy as shit btw.

edit; omg shocking at pic above, now is it like that every week or is that just a fluke? I guess Orcs/Yags must not be so easy if Windy/Sandy are sucking as well, eh?

[Daimen-G]

"omg bastok leads on your server, the others must suck lol"

Once again, Bastok on my server doesn't suck. Not my fault the other countries do. I can practically solo any Orc I've encountered, but I don't personally have much experience with Yagudo because every time I go I'm either alone or supported by a swarm of bloodthirsty Tarutaru.

Edit: Actually, I should take that back. I *could* practically solo them, if I'd bother to cap my club skill. They're easy as shit to deal with in any case.

[Lucavi]

Man, you really are stupid. Try fighting the Yags and Orcs with no Utsu.

<--- Drg/whm + Pld/war + Pld/whm. You fail again.

bet thinsg like Sweep spam and Battle Dance will own you. I already said I solo'd a Vanguard Khud or w/e in Rolan, I forget the name. BLU just owns Quads I guess though.. I guess a RDM did cure me a few times, so make it a duo. I guess HAdes just sucks? idk.

I can feel your flustered state -- your grip on basic grammar is loosening....

Not going to argue anymore because it's quite obvious you haven't fought against any hard mobs in Yagudo/Orc lands. It's hard to solo Quads when everyone just stares at them instead of pulling/kiting/sleeping a few. I try my hardest to pick off mobs from the Forts but it's not worth it. It's just as hard in Meri Mnts when nobody shows up there and there are like 3 groups of Yags around it. Usually I just aga3>sleepga and die/rr and repeat when I'm bored and want AN.

Everyone stares at them because they obliterate alliances, and thus, nobody wants to fight them. Why can't your brain not process that? Does anyone "stare" at orcs? No, you fucking kill them, and sleep the two NMs. Nobody "stares" at yags -- they repeat the process. However, I have both of you guys talking about how everyone on BOTH of yourservers manages to just stand and "stare" at the Quads.... I wonder why...?

I'm glad you're throwing in the towel. You've made some great posts in other threads, but you are terribly outclassed here.

"omg bastok leads on your server, the others must suck lol"

Don't you just love that? You provide concrete evidence and all of a sudden its "oh, well the rest of your entire server sucks... yep... every last one of them.."

Wipe the egg off your face, Judai, compose yourself, and try again when you actually have a concrete point to stand on.

[Seigfried Of Pandy]

its stupid as hell to argue that quadav isn't the hardest race because they are. However, that doesn't mean we should nerf it, it means we need to learn a different way to kill it then zerg rushing it. they certaintly aren't unbeatable they are just unbeatable by the current everyone just sit there and auto attack it strategy

[Lucavi]

This is the Illustrious BG Forums! Mysteries are solved here! I'll be waiting to read up and research the solution to this quandry -- as well as the solution on how to increase ridill drops, dynamis drops, salvage drops, ein drops; how to bring in more gil to the economy, how to push our limit points past their current caps, how to kill AV reliably and consistently without cheating, how to stop claim-botters and flee-hackers, and a host of other shit that only SE can control and adjust.

Seriously. :D

[Yutuyu]

I challenge you to find a single server where Rolanberry or Pashhow is controlled by a nation.

I challenge you to find a server where Bastok doesn't suck ass at everything Conquest/Campaign related. There is a reason ppl nicknamed it Lastok. It came in last on almost every server in that wotg/glasses thing for a reason.

On my server Bastok is in 2nd and 1st as much as Windurst is. San d'Oria's the nation that's always last on conquest. Conquest is balanced so that you lose points per death and gain them per kill, so it's not a pure number's gain unlike the Crystal War Revisited event which WAS just a matter of numbers (and everyone knows that San d'Orians and Windurstians vastly outnumber Bastokans).

Nothing is keeping people who aren't Bastokan from fighting in Bastokan territories especially now; and they do thanks to the most recent maintainence. So there's really no explaination on why the Quadav are still pretty much at full on every server and no one can even begin to touch Passhhow and Rolanberry.

[Judai]

if my grammar was bad, it's because it's late and I'm soloing my DNC. Think what you want but you are severley wrong on several notes about the other beatmen races. I guess sinc you don't fight ever with utsu, that's why the Quads rape you, oh but I'm guessing you suddenly change subs, right!? Go solo the Yags by Meri Mnts and come back to me. I'm sure you will Rape the BST Yag with his Scorpion pets who hit me for 300+, or the NIN NM, amrite?

[Yutuyu]

We should make some sort of bet here. If they adjust Quadav downward (or Orcs and Yagudo upward) within the next 3 months, Judai has to wear a signature which says "I am Bastok's Bitch" for the next year.