Campaign discussion

[Sagacious Sundi]

Does anyone know if Orcish Strongarms have a unique model? I know Khroma Quadav and Yagudo Genja were given their own (well, when they were first added) models. These are the Confederate Belfry mobs, btw.

Are the Allied Armored Belfry new? I'm not sure if they've been around since the older update or if they were ninja'd into this last one. Either way I haven't seen them but I'm curious what they're like.

Well, someone added them to the BG-Wiki in May, so probably not.
I think it would make sense if Allied Belfries used the ensign model, and Armored Belfries used the Allied Belfry model, since belfries kinda look like "armored ensigns" (for both sides, but there's no Confederate Armored Belfry). Unless there's a third ensign/belfry model.

[Rocl]

The Orcish Strongarms have weird leather masks, I'll take a picture next time I see them. The eyes and mouth are cut-out of the mask

[6souls]

http://images.wikia.com/ffxi/images/..._Strongarm.jpg

BDSM anyone?

[Gwynplaine]

lol nice. Can I put that on wiki, I'm bored waiting for afk people and I'm trying to cleanup and update the Campaign pages.
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Campaign_Factions

Edit: Nevermind then it's from IckWiki

[Ruin]

Can I get a verification on how this works exactly?

I have wings4, the highest windy rank atm. I cannot purchase higher rank san/bastok items? But I if I switch I can still buy the highest rank items from windy?

And the switching penalty is highest 2 ranks gone, and no allied notes loss?

[Wolfknight]

Can I get a verification on how this works exactly?

I have wings4, the highest windy rank atm. I cannot purchase higher rank san/bastok items? But I if I switch I can still buy the highest rank items from windy?

And the switching penalty is highest 2 ranks gone, and no allied notes loss?

you can purchase any from other nations however it's 1.5x AN cost, and your 1st change to is a nation is no lost but to change back you lose your highest 2 medals, no AN lose.

[Ruin]

Can I get a verification on how this works exactly?

I have wings4, the highest windy rank atm. I cannot purchase higher rank san/bastok items? But I if I switch I can still buy the highest rank items from windy?

And the switching penalty is highest 2 ranks gone, and no allied notes loss?

you can purchase any from other nations however it's 1.5x AN cost, and your 1st change to is a nation is no lost but to change back you lose your highest 2 medals, no AN lose.

So if I went san, got highest - then when I switch back to windy I lose my highest 2 windy ranks then?

[Wolfknight]

Can I get a verification on how this works exactly?

I have wings4, the highest windy rank atm. I cannot purchase higher rank san/bastok items? But I if I switch I can still buy the highest rank items from windy?

And the switching penalty is highest 2 ranks gone, and no allied notes loss?

you can purchase any from other nations however it's 1.5x AN cost, and your 1st change to is a nation is no lost but to change back you lose your highest 2 medals, no AN lose.

So if I went san, got highest - then when I switch back to windy I lose my highest 2 windy ranks then?

no If I remember right your 1st switch to EACH nation is free but after that costs u ranks I've never done so I can't for certain but I think thats how it works.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Nice job on the Factions page, Gwyn.
I wonder, can the nameless units (except freelances) be in multiple places at the same time? Afterall, there is no "...<unit name> has/have been dispatched to blah blah blah" for them. I guess that would be physicians, mantelets, and siege turrets?

[Ruin]

Can I get a verification on how this works exactly?

I have wings4, the highest windy rank atm. I cannot purchase higher rank san/bastok items? But I if I switch I can still buy the highest rank items from windy?

And the switching penalty is highest 2 ranks gone, and no allied notes loss?

you can purchase any from other nations however it's 1.5x AN cost, and your 1st change to is a nation is no lost but to change back you lose your highest 2 medals, no AN lose.

So if I went san, got highest - then when I switch back to windy I lose my highest 2 windy ranks then?

no If I remember right your 1st switch to EACH nation is free but after that costs u ranks I've never done so I can't for certain but I think thats how it works.

Yeah I think thats right, but im wondering what ranks you lose if I was to change back to windy later on

[Terrance]

What determines if you get full allied notes (up to your XP amount +4) or only 1/2 XP allied notes?

[Max™]

If you got the same notes as exp (+4/etc) then your tags hadn't had enough time to uncap for work you did.

When you get 1/2 exp worth of notes, that was an "ideal" tag, since they were both uncapped.

You just lose the 2 highest when you change back to a nation you've belonged too before.

I did Windy > Bastok > Sandy (thought the sandy I.R. body would have been added, so pretty), and then > Bastok since I knew the legs would have a decent enough amount of Str to use til if/when I get a better alternative (but before I found out you can just spend more AN to get stuff from other nations >.<) and lost Holy Knight and Steelknight.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Wtf, found these in the dats as part of the Dark Kindred's forces. No doubt to be used when they open up the north or something:

The Shadowwing Battalion.
The Dark Orcs.
The Dark Yagudo.
The Dark Quadav.
The Dark Gigas.
The Midnight Sun Gigas.
The Arctic Star Gigas.?Prompt?

I'm going to call it now: Shadowwing is a devilet-type imp or new demon, and the Dark Orcs/Yags/Quads use the "vanguard" (Dynamis) models.

[Gwynplaine]

On my server this week Windy took back Fort K. but lost Meriph. Windy is doing a bit better than Bastok, yag morale/prosperity is decently supressed, and battles in the city are rare. Sandy continues to slosh over all the zones. And Bastok is still a continuous battle with no influence in any other zones. I have made some observations lately I'm going to write into a summary but I'll post that later.

I think that damaging the forts is actually preventing Bastok from gaining influence. Because what happens is every now and then they can win a battle which gains at least some influence, which results in npcs and players beating up the fort. Usually 20~25 points are taken off of it. However after that battle ends, the unit begins spamming Fort repair sessions. Repair sessions are the times when a unit is sent out to guard forts while it regens. There is no official battle happening for players to engage in, but it still counts as a "victory" once they finish. It takes about 3 repair sessions to totally repair the fort. Because of this, the enemy racks up an automatic 3 "victory" wins worth of influence that just overturns the original Bastok victory and that influence is subtracted. And so they are stuck in a constant cycle of occasional victory, being followed by long hours of cock-block fort repairs that make the previous win null and void.

I would guess maybe that national policies could allow forts to be attacked during repairs. I'm not sure. It's rather annoying though, maybe they should just change it so that campaign battles begin during fort repair. Or simply fort repairs shouldn't give influence. As it is now taking fort damage is just a free pass for a few completely free and uncontested victories of influence. That seems so backwards.

[terranova]

Windurst[S] is fucked on Bahamut. We'll be under city attacks for another week . Bastok and Sandy have done well to restore order to their respective regions.

[Melios]

Wtf, found these in the dats as part of the Dark Kindred's forces. No doubt to be used when they open up the north or something:

The Shadowwing Battalion.
The Dark Orcs.
The Dark Yagudo.
The Dark Quadav.
The Dark Gigas.
The Midnight Sun Gigas.
The Arctic Star Gigas.?Prompt?

I'm going to call it now: Shadowwing is a devilet-type imp or new demon, and the Dark Orcs/Yags/Quads use the "vanguard" (Dynamis) models.

Something tells me those Gigas corps were not named by themselves.....

[Max™]

Beastmen got Eurytos this week apparently.

Big huge ass blue old style Gigas with a couple of Rng mercs right?

So Eurytos, Goblins, Gnats, De'Vhyu, another two Squads of Turtles I can't remember in the carnage, and like 65 people with two squads of NPC's after the last two battles...

I love this stuff, though I know it's gotta be ninja nerfed since we can't take any other zones back reliably.

[Guitarman]

This happening to anyone else?

Bastok on shiva owns just grauberg. Had a battle tonight where 2 enemy units showed up. For the first 20 minutes we had no npc help. But then, 2 friendly units showed and drove off all the invaders. We lost maybe 2-3 npc on our side. And yet, there was a msg "the forces of altana have retreated... and all the enemy units were victorious. We beat the crap out of enemy units; not a single one left standing and yet it said we lost. I wonder if this isnt glitched entirely?

[LD]

Beastmen only have to do enough to meet a quota before they're victorious or force the allies to retreat. It's possible they nearly met that before the NPCs spawned and there were mobs people were soloing far away from the stronghold.

[sekaran]

Does evaluation status lose favorability over time? 2 weeks ago hey were pleased with my performance enough to keep my current rank.. I didn't end the evaluation then. Now, they're not pleased at all and say I should lose rank. Luckily I have 4 more days til the end. Forgive me if it's been asked before.