Scholar discussion

[Xavier]

It says that the Maat fights for SCH and DNC won't be implemented this patch, and that if you wish to take them beyond LVL 70, you need to have defeated Maat on another job.

It was the same way w/ COR, BLU and PUP when they were released too, iirc.

[Khamsin]

Yeah, they're just saying if you want to go beyond level 70 on DNC or SCH (and haven't beat Maat yet) before next patch (on Thursday?), then you have to do it on another job.

[safer]

from a whitemage perspective, there is really no reason now to have a blm sub when doing standard events / xp etc

light arts for boost to healing / enhancing / divine (gg repose)
dark arts for boost to elemental / enfeebling / dark (yay can land aspir and drain now)

mp boost trait which would most likely give more mp subbed

thats enough to make me happy

people thought that the single > aoe spells job abiltity would be subbed... but if it was, why would anyone level scholar past 37 unless those are really really good


the only thing that worries me about main job scholar, is with all these boosts to various magic stats, i didnt see scholar's name on any of the enfeebling magic scrolls...
so does that make main scholar subbing something other than whm / rdm / blm make the dark arts strategem Manifestation totally useless? (edit: well i guess if helix spells are enfeebling... but wouldnt make much sense to get this ability 6 levels before being able to cast the first helix)

Dark Arts (Level 10)
Optimizes black magic capability while lowering white magic proficiency. Grants a bonus to enfeebling, elemental, and dark magic.

maybe this gives credit to those speculating that activating either dark or light arts opens up new magic

[spooky]

Both Rocl and Kuno warned me that if I did it any more I'd get banned lol; so I really had better not. >_>
I had high hopes for SCH, as people have said it really sounded like the /SAM of mages. Looks like it's not ment to be, unless your WHM I guess.
My advice to everyone is don't play this, don't even unlock it, then maybe they'll make it better. It seems really 1/2 finished to me.

Duly noted. Now shut the fuck up.

lol and you are?

[Septimus]

My advice to everyone is don't play this, don't even unlock it, then maybe they'll make it better. It seems really 1/2 finished to me.

And how are we supposed to know if Scholar is any good if no one even unlocks it?

I think that everyone in this thread needs to stop with the pointless speculation since we will know nearly nothing about how the job works until someone can actually unlock it and get it to a decent level. Seriously, everyone needs to stop the whining until we have facts.

I am about 5 seconds from locking this.

[Dakana]

My advice to everyone is don't play this, don't even unlock it, then maybe they'll make it better. It seems really 1/2 finished to me.

And how are we supposed to know if Scholar is any good if no one even unlocks it?

I think that everyone in this thread needs to stop with the pointless speculation since we will know nearly nothing about how the job works until someone can actually unlock it and get it to a decent level. Seriously, everyone needs to stop the whining until we have facts.

I am about 5 seconds from locking this.

Please do so we can start over fresh, I know I've been helping the random speculation but we really need a fresh topic for when after people unlock and lvl the job a bit.

[Vivel]

In the case of Summoners, all of our "spells" (with the exception of the oh-so-useful spirits) are not obtained through scrolls, but rather through quests. Maybe SCH will have quests to gain these spells? Maybe evvn the AF will unlock this capability.

That being said, I think we have seen all of the spells. Let's face it, SE is very afraid to tinker with the balance of the game. Most people who cruise the forums deal in strict absolutes. In other words, if the Scholar had those spells, the class would make other mages completely useless. It's a lot easier for them to make jobs that are slightly worse than the existing ones all-around, but have their slight quirks.

That's the same impression I got from the ToAU jobs.

[Khamsin]

In the case of Summoners, all of our "spells" (with the exception of the oh-so-useful spirits) are not obtained through scrolls, but rather through quests. Maybe SCH will have quests to gain these spells? Maybe evvn the AF will unlock this capability.

That being said, I think we have seen all of the spells. Let's face it, SE is very afraid to tinker with the balance of the game. Most people who cruise the forums deal in strict absolutes. In other words, if the Scholar had those spells, the class would make other mages completely useless. It's a lot easier for them to make jobs that are slightly worse than the existing ones all-around, but have their slight quirks.

That's the same impression I got from the ToAU jobs.

They've proven they're not afraid to obsolete jobs or tip the balance before. We can see this in PUP and SCH, by their willingness to tip balance against them or obselete them in comparison to other jobs that can do their jobs better.

[Gilthas]

Still need to know how much of a boost Dark Arts will give to dark magic skill when used as a sub until we can say that WHMs can land Aspir and Drain now. I know that SE did mention WHMs using Drain and Aspir but they also had screens of Tier IV magic in a Scholars spell list.

/SCH wins with guaranteed MP conservation and Fast Cast of spells at least.

[Kaylia]

Need to give them a least one or two update before you judge the job. They prefer to release underpowered job and boost it, than release something overpowered and be forced to nerf it.

Every Corsair are happy with the change next updates. Imagine if they were too strong, and their ballad/xp roll/atk roll were nerfed? Not sure people's reaction would have been the same.

[Lokim]

Need to give them a least one or two update before you judge the job. They prefer to release underpowered job and boost it, than release something overpowered and be forced to nerf it.

This is likely the case. Also, I'm calling it right now: before the end of 2008 scholar will have access to Refresh. It just makes a certain kind of sense, really: white mage gets haste, scholar gets refresh, red mage gets haste and refresh thus minimizing the QQing that might result.

[kenshyn]

Refreshga for all RDM everywhere would go insane with jealousy lol.

[fantasticdan]

It says that the Maat fights for SCH and DNC won't be implemented this patch, and that if you wish to take them beyond LVL 70, you need to have defeated Maat on another job.

It was the same way w/ COR, BLU and PUP when they were released too, iirc.

For reference it was about three monthes after BLU/COR/PUP were added that their final genkai was implemented, AF was also added at the same time.

And TBH I think it would make perfect sense for SCH to get refresh and not haste. Half of it's unique spells are the weather buffs, and who is going to benefit from those? Mages. Who is also going to want refresh? The same mages. Would have been a primo blm party support...

[Anakron]

I think a possible "solution" (if indeed SCH is as bad as it seems) would be to give SCH lesser forms of Haste and/or Refresh (e.g. 8% Haste, 1-2MP/tick Refresh) and split them between the Light and Dark schools, with, say, 40-60 seconds recast and 90-120 seconds duration while aligned correctly. You won't be able to use the AoE and/or Potency JAs to keep them up indefinitely, so at times you'd have to rely on a cycle of (example) Light Arts > Haste > Haste > Dark Arts > Refresh > Refresh > Light Arts > ... with some cures and DoTs thrown in for best output. In that sense, SCH will be a slightly weaker form of a RDM if you really want them to do both Haste and Refresh, but if you stick them in a BLM, SMN-only PT, they can keep Dark Arts on for DoTs, Weather, and Refresh. Alternatively, put them in a tank or melee party and they can keep Light Arts for pure support/healing.

[Seigfried Of Pandy]

I think a possible "solution" (if indeed SCH is as bad as it seems) would be to give SCH lesser forms of Haste and/or Refresh (e.g. 8% Haste, 1-2MP/tick Refresh) and split them between the Light and Dark schools, with, say, 40-60 seconds recast and 90-120 seconds duration while aligned correctly. You won't be able to use the AoE and/or Potency JAs to keep them up indefinitely, so at times you'd have to rely on a cycle of (example) Light Arts > Haste > Haste > Dark Arts > Refresh > Refresh > Light Arts > ... with some cures and DoTs thrown in for best output. In that sense, SCH will be a slightly weaker form of a RDM if you really want them to do both Haste and Refresh, but if you stick them in a BLM, SMN-only PT, they can keep Dark Arts on for DoTs, Weather, and Refresh. Alternatively, put them in a tank or melee party and they can keep Light Arts for pure support/healing.

sounds like a jack of all trades of a jack of all trades job haha

[Septimus]

I will purge this and start a new thread tomorrow since people don't know how to listen.