Scholar discussion

[Gilanth]

I can't see how you would even get a party with that spell list past a certain level, No wonder this job was in the past and no one played it in the future.


Hopefully that list is wrong or them other spells are great :/

[Sho]

Do we even know what the Storm and Helix spells do yet? If not, people are being rather preemptive on hating the job...

extremely potent DoT spells that increase based on the weather of the area if the appropriate element spell is cast.

So both the Helix and Storm spells are DoTs? Tiers of each other, I assume?

~storm = Weather Changing Spell set

~helix = Weather DoT Spell set

[Hadibou]

Do we even know what the Storm and Helix spells do yet? If not, people are being rather preemptive on hating the job...

extremely potent DoT spells that increase based on the weather of the area if the appropriate element spell is cast.

So both the Helix and Storm spells are DoTs? Tiers of each other, I assume?

Storm series is weather changing, and Helix are DoTs.
I don't see any trace of those 4 seasons spells too btw.

[Damane]

if this is infact scholars spell list, its shit... no gravity, not even a few -na spells. so /rdm still fullfills a better role for soloing on my blm....

I realy hope the spelllist is wrong

[Slycer]

Do we even know what the Storm and Helix spells do yet? If not, people are being rather preemptive on hating the job...

extremely potent DoT spells that increase based on the weather of the area if the appropriate element spell is cast.

So both the Helix and Storm spells are DoTs? Tiers of each other, I assume?

Seems more likely that the storm spells are weather-changing spells and the helix spells are DoT. I remember reading from one of the fanfest reports that the new scholar DoT spells would be level 60+ (with helix spells being level 61-75).

Edit: Beat me to it x2, lol..

[Ixidor]

Do we even know what the Storm and Helix spells do yet? If not, people are being rather preemptive on hating the job...

extremely potent DoT spells that increase based on the weather of the area if the appropriate element spell is cast.

So both the Helix and Storm spells are DoTs? Tiers of each other, I assume?

the -storm spells change the weather effect for a target player (or aoe, doesn't really give alot of info how its used)
the helix spells are the elemental DoTs themselves.

so, theoretically one would use the -storm spell and change the weather to say... thunder.
then use the thuner based helix to maximize the DoT output.
i believe there is also a SCH JA that increases the DoT but halves the duration, again it doesnt specify by how much of an increase so it may just end up being a useless (situational) JA.


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26184

for more info on that

[Kael]

if this is infact scholars spell list, its shit... no gravity, not even a few -na spells. so /rdm still fullfills a better role for soloing on my blm....

I realy hope the spelllist is wrong

This is more then likely their default spell list.

When they use their Light Arts and Dark Arts I believe they get access to more. So this list probably just reflects their default spell list.

[Sasarai]

if this is infact scholars spell list, its shit... no gravity, not even a few -na spells. so /rdm still fullfills a better role for soloing on my blm....

I realy hope the spelllist is wrong

This is more then likely their default spell list.

When they use their Light Arts and Dark Arts I believe they get access to more. So this list probably just reflects their default spell list.

Wishful thinking?

[Nitrous24]

Do we even know what the Storm and Helix spells do yet? If not, people are being rather preemptive on hating the job...

extremely potent DoT spells that increase based on the weather of the area if the appropriate element spell is cast.

So both the Helix and Storm spells are DoTs? Tiers of each other, I assume?

forgive the post count.. lol i don't post unless i see reason.. anyway storm aren't Dots.. here... they're the weather change spells

Exclusive Scholar Spells
White Magic
Sandstorm (Level 41)
Changes the weather around target party member to "dusty."
Rainstorm (Level 43)
Changes the weather around target party member to "rainy."
Windstorm (Level 45)
Changes the weather around target party member to "windy."
Firestorm (Level 47)
Changes the weather around target party member to "hot."
Hailstorm (Level 49)
Changes the weather around target party member to "snowy."
Thunderstorm (Level 51)
Changes the weather around target party member to "thundery."
Voidstorm (Level 53)
Changes the weather around target party member to "gloomy."
Aurorastorm (Level 55)
Changes the weather around target party member to "auroras."

Black Magic
Geohelix (Level 61)
Deals earth damage that gradually reduces a target's HP. Damage dealt is greatly affected by the weather.
Hydrohelix (Level 63)
Deals water damage that gradually reduces a target's HP. Damage dealt is greatly affected by the weather.
Anemohelix (Level 65)
Deals wind damage that gradually reduces a target's HP. Damage dealt is greatly affected by the weather.
Pyrohelix (Level 67)
Deals fire damage that gradually reduces a target's HP. Damage dealt is greatly affected by the weather.
Cryohelix (Level 69)
Deals ice damage that gradually reduces a target's HP. Damage dealt is greatly affected by the weather.
Ionohelix (Level 71)
Deals lightning damage that gradually reduces a target's HP. Damage dealt is greatly affected by the weather.
Noctohelix (Level 73)
Deals darkness damage that gradually reduces a target's HP. Damage dealt is greatly affected by the weather.
Luminohelix (Level 75)
Deals light damage that gradually reduces a target's HP. Damage dealt is greatly affected by the weather.

[Slycer]

Maybe this has been addressed elsewhere, but gravity falls under black magic, and we've seen scholar cast graviga. According to the ability set of scholar, there is no ability which turns black magic spells into AoE (Accession turns white magic spells to AoE, there's no equivalent Dark Arts strategem), so there may still be something we're missing.

[Amele]

But it would still requires player to buy the scroll in order to use it, even if Dark/Light arts would trigger their use.

it would? all 'eating' that scroll does is set a flag in your player data records that says 'you know this spell'.

there's nothing stopping SE from having a job ability that temporarily flags those without involving the eating of scrolls.

[Lunais]

Maybe this has been addressed elsewhere, but gravity falls under black magic, and we've seen scholar cast graviga. According to the ability set of scholar, there is no ability which turns black magic spells into AoE (Accession turns white magic spells to AoE, there's no equivalent Dark Arts strategem), so there may still be something we're missing.

Manifestation
Extends the effect of your next enfeebling black magic spell to targets within range. MP cost is tripled and casting time is doubled.

Nice try though.

[Slycer]

Maybe this has been addressed elsewhere, but gravity falls under black magic, and we've seen scholar cast graviga. According to the ability set of scholar, there is no ability which turns black magic spells into AoE (Accession turns white magic spells to AoE, there's no equivalent Dark Arts strategem), so there may still be something we're missing.

Manifestation
Extends the effect of your next enfeebling black magic spell to targets within range. MP cost is tripled and casting time is doubled.

Nice try though.

Ah, thanks. The description of manifestation I read must have been mistranslated casting time as duration (said 3x MP cost, double duration).

[Aymee]

... I haven't seen anyone mention this anywhere, so I'm curious about opinions.

Those day-dependent weapons (the firesday ones, mostly)? Sexy now? Do you think the scholar spells would give the bonuses, or is it just a single-target effect? Sadly, I'm thinking this isn't going to trigger it... which is a shame--it'd give the damn things a use.
Also... weird weather-dependent items (Monsoon Tekko!)... can we actually come up with a use for these now? Hell if I remember what are out there, I long ago deemed them completely useless.

Besides that, what exactly are we expecting from the ability to force a weather on someone? Some enhanced WS effects (mixed with sea gorgets or obis maybe?) could make SCH a type of support job... Ooh. 1-melee merit PT: WAR COR BRD BRD SCH DNC! Double march, double minuet, endrain, rolls of choice, DNC flourish to enhance WS, SCH weather effect to enhance WS dmg ...? Let me dream!

[BRP]

Maybe this has been addressed elsewhere, but gravity falls under black magic, and we've seen scholar cast graviga. According to the ability set of scholar, there is no ability which turns black magic spells into AoE (Accession turns white magic spells to AoE, there's no equivalent Dark Arts strategem), so there may still be something we're missing.

You are quite a bit off...

[Gilthas]

Too bad they already nerfed Red Lotus Blade a few updates ago.

[Delekii]

no haste = no healer

[Gilanth]

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=26053

We were given this list before:

Spell list active during White Grimoire

Cure I (7MP)-IV
Raise I-II
Poisona
Paralyna
Blindna
Silena
Stona
Viruna
Cursna (27MP)
Dia I-II
Diaga
Protect I-IV
Shell I-IV
Blink (18MP)
Stoneskin (27MP)
Aquaveil
Paralyze
Silence
Barfire/bliz/aero/stone/thunder/water
(and about 24 more spells that aren't shown)

So it seems White Grimoire has an effect of -10% MP spell use for WHM spells. Since I didn't see Curaga, it's a good indication that Osaka (demo char) wasn't /WHM.

For Black Grimoire
Fire I (22MP)-IV
Blizzard I-IV
Aero I-IV
Stone I (9MP)-IV
Thunder I-IV
Water I-IV
Gravity (72MP)
Poison
Bio I-II
Drain
Aspir
Blaze Spikes
Sleep
Bind
Dispel
Stone Weather Spell?
(and maybe another 7 spells)


Confused?

[Tomino]

SCH + 5 well geared SMNs for moar Fenrir Zerg!

[Weavus]

Do we even know what the Storm and Helix spells do yet? If not, people are being rather preemptive on hating the job...

extremely potent DoT spells that increase based on the weather of the area if the appropriate element spell is cast.

So both the Helix and Storm spells are DoTs? Tiers of each other, I assume?

the -storm spells change the weather effect for a target player (or aoe, doesn't really give alot of info how its used)
the helix spells are the elemental DoTs themselves.

so, theoretically one would use the -storm spell and change the weather to say... thunder.
then use the thuner based helix to maximize the DoT output.
i believe there is also a SCH JA that increases the DoT but halves the duration, again it doesnt specify by how much of an increase so it may just end up being a useless (situational) JA.


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=26184

for more info on that

Thanks. I had found it after my first post in this thread. >.o

I don't think we should be writing off scholar because it's spell list isn't what we expected. After reading more about those DoT and weather effect spells, I have high hopes for SCH usefullness. 50hp/tick. ^^ We can hope (Add Bio and win).