Dancer discussion

[Max™]

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No, I would not invite a Dnc over a Brd or a Cor.

If I was losing a Rdm or Whm I would look for a Dnc among the various other healing options.

Perhaps I was mistaken about them getting up to Cure IV in waltzes, the 5 second recast, uninterruptible nature of it, and the relative ease in gaining TP.

Me, I'm going to be playing the job as a healer that isn't boring, as that's what it is so far.

[Cylo]

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No, I would not invite a Dnc over a Brd or a Cor.

If I was losing a Rdm or Whm I would look for a Dnc among the various other healing options.

Perhaps I was mistaken about them getting up to Cure IV in waltzes, the 5 second recast, uninterruptible nature of it, and the relative ease in gaining TP.

Me, I'm going to be playing the job as a healer that isn't boring, as that's what it is so far.

"Relative ease in gaining TP"
Don't get me wrong... at this level (27) I usually gain more TP than I can spend in one fight, but I am starting to notice issues on the more evasive mobs. Depending on what you fight, yes you are right. "Frontline Healer", just not in all circumstances.

[Max™]

Acc gear (battle gloves, acc rings, acc knives, optical earring, PCC) + merits (@3 Dagger atm) + Acc bonus (@30) + Sushi= Not much acc problems even at low levels.

Get a Bard, have em pop a madrigal up your butt and you're beyond fine.

[Mikayla]

Acc gear (battle gloves, acc rings, acc knives, optical earring, PCC) + merits (@3 Dagger atm) + Acc bonus (@30) + Sushi= Not much acc problems even at low levels.

Get a Bard, have em pop a madrigal up your butt and you're beyond fine.

What he said. I'm @2000 > 65, and I have absolutely no problems with accuracy. I've yet to find a situation where I'm suffering from any problems keeping my TP high between regular melee hits and Step>Reverse combos.

[Judai]

In my mind... I would say that the role of a Dancer is "Support". They aren't quite capable of being a Main Healer except in some circumstances.

They also can fill the following additional roles:
Puller
Backup Healer
Hate Control / Hate Assist


From http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Party#Basic_Strategy
Support: "Member of the party that facilitates the functions of a party. Able to increase the effectiveness of all other members of the party by enhancing the ability to deal damage, tank, and/or directly reduce downtime through usage of abilities that restore MP. The role of a support character is quite simply to support the other members of the party. While not having a direct impact on the goals of the party, a support character is just as important as the rest of the party. Having a support character around makes everybody's job easier - as one can easily enfeeble an enemy to deal less or take more damage, directly enhance a damage dealer's damage potential, or provide a safety cushion for healing when the healer has exhausted his/her resources."


So to answer your question... DNC can replace the following jobs: RDM, BRD, SMN, COR

Replace is not the right word. It can fill in for BRD and COR if they are not available or RDM if you have someone else to help heal but it doesn't replace what those jobs bring to the party. It can replace SMN though, lol. I wouldn't really rely on DNC for main healing, although it can do it if needed I am sure.

[Neosutra]

So meleeX3 dnc brd rdm?

[lost071]

In my mind... I would say that the role of a Dancer is "Support". They aren't quite capable of being a Main Healer except in some circumstances.

They also can fill the following additional roles:
Puller
Backup Healer
Hate Control / Hate Assist


From http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Party#Basic_Strategy
Support: "Member of the party that facilitates the functions of a party. Able to increase the effectiveness of all other members of the party by enhancing the ability to deal damage, tank, and/or directly reduce downtime through usage of abilities that restore MP. The role of a support character is quite simply to support the other members of the party. While not having a direct impact on the goals of the party, a support character is just as important as the rest of the party. Having a support character around makes everybody's job easier - as one can easily enfeeble an enemy to deal less or take more damage, directly enhance a damage dealer's damage potential, or provide a safety cushion for healing when the healer has exhausted his/her resources."


So to answer your question... DNC can replace the following jobs: RDM, BRD, SMN, COR

Replace is not the right word. It can fill in for BRD and COR if they are not available or RDM if you have someone else to help heal but it doesn't replace what those jobs bring to the party. It can replace SMN though, lol. I wouldn't really rely on DNC for main healing, although it can do it if needed I am sure.

I have to say I disagree with you about this. I'm not sure what lvl you are but once you hit 40, TP gain just isn't a problem anymore. When I'm not tanking with other dancers, and I'm not main healing I have to say I feel pretty useless. I feel like a RDM who also has a WHM in the party, meaning sure my enfeebles are nice but I'm not using my full potential. Also where have you been? RDMs only help heal? RDMs are MUCH MUCH more preferred as healers now a days. They are much more MP efficient then a WHM.

[Lordwafik]

RDMs only help heal? RDMs are MUCH MUCH more preferred as healers now a days. They are much more MP efficient then a WHM.

Nothing is more MP efficient than Regen spells matey.

[liefe]

I'd like to try DNC/BRD/COR/X3 Melee DD, COR replacable by BRD X2.

The only relative difference in RDM and DNC for meripo are Dia,(Enfeebs if applicable),Sleep backup. Though box step kindasorta replaces the need for dia, but they do stack well together. If the COR or a BRD were /WHM they could serve as a Dia2 bitch.

edit: Forgot haste (I don't know how..). That might make or break a particular party(one not killing fast enough to actually break chains). Haste Samba does not make up for the lack of the RDM/WHM haste spell enough really, but I guess if no RDMs were available it could be used.

[LD]

RDMs only help heal? RDMs are MUCH MUCH more preferred as healers now a days. They are much more MP efficient then a WHM.

Nothing is more MP efficient than Regen spells matey.

I wonder if that's why they haven't (yet) given SCH Regen 3 (& 4)...
Except for status heals and haste, Regenga could be the last nail in WHM's meriting coffin. However, it still has status heals and haste, so... :/

[Xanthe]

RDMs only help heal? RDMs are MUCH MUCH more preferred as healers now a days. They are much more MP efficient then a WHM.

Nothing is more MP efficient than Healing Breath matey.

Fixed.

[Lordwafik]

RDMs only help heal? RDMs are MUCH MUCH more preferred as healers now a days. They are much more MP efficient then a WHM.

Nothing is more MP efficient than Healing Breath matey.

Fixed.

Yeah that'd make sense if anyone brought loldrg into the argument. However, we're comparing whms and rdms.

[Maxxthepenguin]

RDMs only help heal? RDMs are MUCH MUCH more preferred as healers now a days. They are much more MP efficient then a WHM.

Nothing is more MP efficient than Healing Breath, but nobody cares about something that's so slow and requires less that 50% HP, matey.

Fixed.

Seriously, man, HEALING BREATH?

[Wizerd]

Regarding the question of what role a Dancer fills in a party, it doesn't really fit or replace any specific role.

I'm level 44 now, and I've had some pretty odd party setups that have worked very well (including one party that was doing 8k/hr at lv41). Dancer can do all sorts of things in the right situation:

- Dancer can main heal with a Paladin
- Dancer can main heal with a Ninja if the Dancer is also subbed Ninja and prepared to take hate
- Dancer can deal damage (especially above lv41 or 42 if subbing MNK with Raging Fists)
- Dancer can offer support healing on enemies that do a particularly high amount of damage overall (such as Flies, Goblins, and other AOE using mobs that a WHM simply can't keep up with Curaga-wise)
- Dancer can and does remove the "need" for elegy on monsters, with their ability to take hate in various ways and hold it while the tank prepares to get it back, turning this need into more of a "it'd be nice to have"

All the while inducing 5-13% defense down, evasion down, and/or magic evasion down on the monster throughout the fight.

I particularly like Dancer at the level I am now, because I've been able to do parties efficiently with only 1 back line job and sometimes a support job also. Most parties at this level pre-patch consisted of 3 back line jobs (usually 1 being a BLM, for the damage capabilities and the ability to cure if shit starts hitting the fan), and 3 front line jobs (a tank and 2 DDs who'd skillchain).

My best party so far was:

DNC/NIN (co-tank)
WAR/NIN (co-tank)
DRG/WAR (DD)
DNC/MNK (<- Me, and DDing)
SCH/BLM (DD only, never had to cure)
BRD/WHM (pulling, sleeping, and probably shoulda gone NIN sub)

I barely had to cure at all, because the other Dancer was using his ability to cure to solidify hate most of the time, and the WAR would get it off him about half the time through damage and provoke. It was great.

[neira]

From lv 40 to 47 DNC/NIN i had a unusual PT that did insanly well on everything in CN (even Exoray's). War/nin x 3 dnc/nin x 2 and drg/nin. Hate just kind of bounced around as you'd expect it to, and we just wondered around (carefully) picking of mobs. for the most part the war's juggled hate by staggering thier WS's, but on flys the other DNC and myself tanked almost exclusevly due to Divine Waltz spamming. We used Drain Samba II in the beginning and then switched to Haste Samba when we got it.

was wondering one thing though, we didnt think to try this at the time in that PT but, Obviousely you cant stack drain samba with aspir samba, but can you stack drain samba with haste samba? I "think" we did this at one point accidently (I noticed i was having haste proc on me [was what i casted and i think i was only one with 100% HP] and everyone else was having drain samba proc on them [what other DNC casted]) maybe i was tired or something, but any one know for sure?

Note: i didnt thoroghly read this entire thread (for obvouse reasons) so if some one alrdy addressed this i'm sorry but please say what you know, kthx.

[Max™]

RDMs only help heal? RDMs are MUCH MUCH more preferred as healers now a days. They are much more MP efficient then a WHM.

Nothing is more MP efficient than Curing Waltzes matey.

Fixed.

Fixed again.

[chichicha]

RDMs only help heal? RDMs are MUCH MUCH more preferred as healers now a days. They are much more MP efficient then a WHM.

Nothing is more MP efficient than Curing Waltzes matey.

Fixed.

Fixed again.

lvl 63, I kinda agreed with the statement.
MP cure, you have Cure I, II, III, IV, V - 5 different casting/ recast time.
Curing Waltzes ... all under one JA - Waltzes, afre you have use CW III ....
"Oops, sorry for your death, I tried to CW II you, but recast from CW III isn't over yet !"
or
"Oops, sorry, you asked for Erase, I did HW. You HP was low, I tried to CW III you, but again, Waltzes recast isn't over yet ... "

So far, I take Waltzes as backup only, rarely use them, unless otherwise for emergency.

p.s.
1) Wild Flourish -> Penta Thrust = Gravitation
2) Wild Flourish -> Guillotine = Induration

[FinalJustice]

if u want a dnc to be main heal, you will need more then one. Same if you want them to tank.

Yesterday we did Mnk, mnk, mnk dnc dnc brd. Got high chains, killed things faster then they reppoped im QSC forcing brd to do crazy long pulls from 49-53,

then today we did Sam, Rng, War, Brd, Dnc, Dnc all lvl 52-53 in Wajaon on Colobri getting high chains at 280-340 exp with NO exp band. when we were 56-57 the brd had to leave. the only thing seeking was another Dnc so we got him. I think the highest chain after that was chain 8. because of the slower pulling.

In bost cases dnc did a fair large amount of the tanking, and neither one had to use Animated Flourish. All you had to do was cure waltz something, and viola, youre tanking. So it doesnt matter if AF is slightly less hate then provoke. The hate you get from throwing a CW more then makes up for that and then some. But it these setups its not about making the dnc do all the tanking. just about everyone shares in it, so u simply melee burn with no mages. I didnt fully keep track of our time as in exp per hr, but i know we gained close to 14k before my first sushi with sanction extension naturally wore off. (i got lucky with snatch morsal.) Honestly i was shocked.

The only time TP was an issue was from the occasional feather tickle. But most of the time 5 Finishing moves were saved at all times to combat this somewhat. so between 2 dncs it wasnt a big deal.

But under a normal party, i dont know why a Dnc would "rarely" use waltz'.

[ruf]

So, soboro sam/dnc is fucking fun. Did a pt from 73-74 with a whm, four other DD, and me on sam/dnc. I kinda spammed Divine Waltz and kept Drain Samba II up and the whm hasted and did regen. Not the fastest party I've ever been in, but with soboro, haste gear, haste, and meditate I could WS everytime I was at 100tp or so and still spam dances as needed. Still parsed second under the monk.

[Maxxthepenguin]

So, soboro sam/dnc is fucking fun. Did a pt from 73-74 with a whm, four other DD, and me on sam/dnc. I kinda spammed Divine Waltz and kept Drain Samba II up and the whm hasted and did regen. Not the fastest party I've ever been in, but with soboro, haste gear, haste, and meditate I could WS everytime I was at 100tp or so and still spam dances as needed. Still parsed second under the monk.

That's pretty damn awesome


I must say, I am very impressed by DNC as both a main and sub job. This is the most expertly crafted job since ROTZ imo. It just flows and works so nicely.

I also have a question: Think DNC could work on traditionally BLM-centric HNMs with a subtle blow build for stutter step, status cures, and occasional co-tanking?