Dancer discussion

[Max™]

Jaridah Peti and Hands are both Dnc equipable, last I saw.

[Slott]

Don't forget matron's knife. 31/195 +4 dex. It's pretty good for dancer, from the first pirate fight.(As is star sapphire for khimmy's jambiya) Barbarossa's are from the 3rd fight.

[VZX]

Can anyone confirm whether desperate flourish gives the same effect as gravity? (-evasion on top movement speed down)

[Takiwaki]

No I dont think it adds evasion down cus it only says the mob is weighed down.

Also if anyone can test this, it may be intentional or a glitch but chocobo jig actually allows you to move through bind. very slowly though. I had Jig on in campain and this nm did bindga but I kept moving like i was grav'd. not sure if this is normal.

[lost071]

I am lvl67

These are what I have been using. Cheers!

Weapon - Dagger (Upgrade as Thief, Using best dmg you can get)
Off hand - Bone Knife+1, imo, it's nice on acc and atk, dmg won't be left far from main hand
Ranged - Tiphia Sting at ToA area/ Jr. Chakram while exp in normal places for extra STR+ or need to be fisherman

Head - Emperor Hairpin then Super Ribbon till now. (I am getting bored with it tho...)
Neck - Peacock Amulet , Chiv. Chain, swap PA if acc needed. Store TP+1 doesn't mean much to /nin
Earring - Heims Earring, Minuet Earring. before these, I used Optical Earring and an ATK+ earring
Body - Brig. +1 (45), SH+1 (57), Assault Jerkin (67), swap SH and AJ if acc needed. Only Tabin+1 worth replace SH and AJ imo, but good luck finding one ><
Hands - Battle Gloves all the way, tried Pallas ... but I don't like it. Dex-5 is too much. Now, Merman Hands all the time, and swap Battle Gloves if acc needed.
Ring - Rajas ftw, Unyielding Ring (for dex and vit) both are nice stat. TBH, I haven't really look at any acc ring... and always think that Sniper Ring is over rating.
Back - Nomad, Jaguar, now Amemet+1 and don't see any to replace. I like it with the atk and str. later if I am rich, I will get the update version. Ceberus ....
Waist - Sword belt and Life Belt swap alternatively, Potent belt and Warwolf belt swap alternative after 71.
Legs - Rep Sub, Feral Trouser, Thinking Clown Sub for WS until I get Denali Legs.
Feet - Leaping/ Bounding, Winged. imo, these are up till 72 Pln feets, but I am using Taru feets 62 and can't wait for Pln Feet.

Endgame - no idea yet, until I am there to try.

Denali feet are definitely the best feet we can currently equipped. Denali gamashes give +5 acc STR+3 MND+3 INT+3 m.acc+3. Pahluwan feet give DEX+4 acc+3 r.acc +3.

The very best gear we can currently equip include:

Weapons:Heart snatcher, jamb+1
Head: W.turban, O-hat
Body: Pahluwan body
Hands: Dusk?
Legs: Pahluwan legs, or denali legs
Feet: Denali Gamashes
Belt: Swift belt, potent belt, life belt
Neck: Love Torque, chiv. chain, p.charm
Rings: Rajas, woodsmen, snipers, Ulthalam's
Cape: Amemet+1?
Earrings:Minuet, brutal, supp
Ammo:Smart grenade, tiphia sting

I'm hoping DNC, SCH, PUP, BLU, and COR all get some kind of 70+ JSE soon...

[Max™]

Does Macc affect Steps? If not then it comes down to 3 Str for a job that only melees for TP, and the same actual amount of Acc, 4 Dex+3 Acc or 5 Acc.

[VZX]

No I dont think it adds evasion down cus it only says the mob is weighed down.

In RDM Gravity desciption, it only mentions 'weighed down'. No further info about evasion. But, the fact is Gravity does gives -eva

[Judai]

Denali feet are definitely the best feet we can currently equipped. Denali gamashes give +5 acc STR+3 MND+3 INT+3 m.acc+3. Pahluwan feet give DEX+4 acc+3 r.acc +3.

The very best gear we can currently equip include:

Weapons:Heart snatcher, jamb(+1), Khimaira(+1)/Adder Jambiya(+1)
Head: W.turban, O-hat
Body: Pahluwan body, Assault Jerkin
Hands: Dusk(+1)
Legs: Barbarosa Zerehs, Pahluwan legs, or denali legs
Feet: Dusk(+1), Denali Gamashes
Belt: Swift belt, potent belt, life belt
Neck: Love Torque, chiv. chain, p.charm
Rings: Rajas, woodsmen, snipers, Ulthalam's
Cape: Foragers/Cerb+1
Earrings:Minuet, brutal, supp
Ammo:Smart grenade, tiphia sting

I'm hoping DNC, SCH, PUP, BLU, and COR all get some kind of 70+ JSE soon...

Fixed

Dusk Feet for TP, Denali are WS onry. Legs, as multiple people have said in multiple threads, best possible is Barbarosa Zerehs. idk about Heartsnatcher, might be ok but most THFs see it as worthless I think.

[Koyangi]

Depending on what HNM a DNC will even participate in, the Dusk(+1) would be situational with Denali feet, in merits with sushi i don't see a problem with Dusk(+1).

[lost071]

Oh wow.. DNC can use barb? I had no idea...Barb would be best pants then.

[chichicha]

idk about Heartsnatcher, might be ok but most THFs see it as worthless I think.

Because THF does have so much better Dagger to use.
As for DNC, this is one of the best I can see and easier to obtain.

At the moment, I am more curious about what a DNC can merit on their ability... oor adding more FLourishes
Sometimes, it's too much finishes moves to use ! XD

[Kikaru]

Actually Behemoth Knife +1 and Jambiya are both seen as much better than heartsnatcher to thf community since the dot on heartsnatcher even with the crit% makes it a pile of junk and dnc can equip both of these so saying thf gets better options doesn't apply.

[Takiwaki]

idk about Heartsnatcher, might be ok but most THFs see it as worthless I think.

Because THF does have so much better Dagger to use.
As for DNC, this is one of the best I can see and easier to obtain.

At the moment, I am more curious about what a DNC can merit on their ability... oor adding more FLourishes
Sometimes, it's too much finishes moves to use ! XD

I can see SE adding a conserve tp merit, or a samba duration merit. a flourish accuracy even a waltz recast merit

tier 2 would add more dances. or steps. dispel or raise would be nice.

[Theytak]

party with a 66 dnc, as war/sam
Drain Samba III SS

http://www.maj.com/gallery/gahati/me...210_190822.png

[Anakron]

So I noticed a few of you guys took out Joyeuse as a viable off-hand option. B dagger and D sword is 250 vs 210 skill, for about 36 accuracy difference (should be less with Supp.). Assuming roughly a 5% accuracy decrease for each 10acc, that makes off-hand about 20-25% less accurate (I know it's not linear, but I'm not sure what the exact number is). Wouldn't that still put Joyeuse ahead of a dagger? Joyeuse will have about 25-30 more delay than daggers, but that shouldn't affect functionality since DNCs aren't going for 100TP in the shortest amount of time; they just want a steady stream. Damage may be a bit lower, but I don't think that should be too big a concern for end-game DNCs (unless you hit for 0).

Where 1.5 is Joyeuse attacks per round, x is dagger accuracy, and 0.25 is estimated accuracy loss from sword, the inequality will hold true for values of x above 0.75, right?

1.5 * (x - 0.25) > 1.0 * x

I know my math is very basic and raw, so I'm not trying to convince anybody...just expressing my thoughts.

On anything other than the more evasive HNMs, doesn't that make Joyeuse better?

[Cylo]

Well first off, you aren't thinking about attack or even total damage output, you are looking at what? TP Gain? Total connected hits?

Behemoth Knives also add attack.

[ruf]

I guess if you're inviting a dnc for total damage instead of dance spam, it's like inviting a cor for straight DD. (no offense, love me some cor)
edit: not implying there is not ever a case where this isn't how it will work out, just don't know if they should worry about damage output over TPing.

[recca84]

Anyplace for a 37 DNC to solo for some good xp while waiting for a pT ... Too many Dancers around my lvl and getting a pt chance is low.so might as well find a place to solo while waiting.. Preferable EM or T's.. : P

[Anakron]

I'm mainly looking at TP-gain, but you're right--the inequality I have above only accounts for accuracy. I believe that should reflect TP-gain fairly well, but I'll try to dig out some formulae and see what the comparison would be given the delay and TP-per hit numbers.

[Shadowhusky]

Anyplace for a 37 DNC to solo for some good xp while waiting for a pT ... Too many Dancers around my lvl and getting a pt chance is low.so might as well find a place to solo while waiting.. Preferable EM or T's.. : P

Goblin pets. They're everywhere. Try the Zi'Tah outpost.