Dancer discussion

[Rionel]

Here's a small question for some of you higher leveled DNCs:

I partied with a Lv75 DNC last night, and he was talking about how Stutter Step improves the stun resist rate of Violent Flourish since the stun is magical based. So is Violent Flourish a weak melee attack that has a magic based stun attached to it, therefore making Stutter Step better to use than Quick Step if you wanted Violent Flourish's stun effect to proc? Does the same apply to Desperate Flourish's Gravity effect?

And just for fun...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...nia_dancer.jpg

I never noticed her WS in Campaign before...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y23...nia_asuran.jpg

Darn you SE for making Dancer NPCs with above B rank H2H skill... (even if it's just an NPC, it kinda makes you jealous)

...Where are those Destroyers?!

[Nyiri]

Re: Quick Step vs Box Step

When I'm the only dancer, I typically do one level of Quick Step, followed by one level of Box Step. That gets me -5% to both evasion *and* defense, as opposed to -7% to only one of the two. From there, I work evenly across the two, so that a missed Step doesn't cause the effect to drop. If I'm not the only dancer, we tend to each choose a Step and spam that one so they both fill up quite rapidly.

[chichicha]

doubt a D rating H2H PC will get Asuran fist ...
Same as THF D rating on Sword, never get Savage Blade...

Unless...
Pre-MNK75, Merit Capped H2H Pre-owed Asuran Fist, and get all H2H Skill+ gears... >.>;

It is nice for Asuran Fist...
My Dancing Edge does exceed 1k, but... on EP Lesser Bird >.>;
On Greater Colibri, best I had is around 700+ with Food support ... Well, I don't have pimp gears, at least ... not Denali Legs

Dont get me wrong, H2H is viable only until 56, after that the gap between both skill get too wide to gain good tp with H2H.

Someone did a TP test and it's good up until then.

i dont plan on getting DNC higher than 37 before AF are released. I'm 32 atm and with the belt from lv.30 and my merit I have 5 more H2H skill than dagger. If I had dagger merited I would use dagger but atm H2H is more efficient for me.
At 65 I would use dagger too.
Also my dagger skill is capped from thf so no worry on having low dagger skill if I have to use them in a pt.

No worry, Kim. I was making the comparison so that whoever is reading knows the different and use what they want

[Wizerd]

Here's a small question for some of you higher leveled DNCs:

I partied with a Lv75 DNC last night, and he was talking about how Stutter Step improves the stun resist rate of Violent Flourish since the stun is magical based. So is Violent Flourish a weak melee attack that has a magic based stun attached to it, therefore making Stutter Step better to use than Quick Step if you wanted Violent Flourish's stun effect to proc? Does the same apply to Desperate Flourish's Gravity effect?

Violent Flourish can have 3 outcomes: Miss, hit without stun proc, hit with stun proc.

Wizerd uses Violent Flourish, but misses the Worker Crawler.

Wizerd uses Violent Flourish.
The Worker Crawler takes 22 damage.

Wizerd uses Violent Flourish.
The Worker Crawler takes 22 damage and is stunned.

The physical hit effect seems to be based on accuracy, while the stun effect seems to be based on magic resistance, as you and that lv75 DNC suggested. I've definitely noticed more stuns on mobs with Stutter on as opposed to mobs I've been spamming with Quickstep or Box Step.

Desperate Flourish also has 3 outcomes; however, they're a little different:

Wizerd uses Desperate Flourish, but misses the Worker Crawler.

Wizerd uses Desperate Flourish.
The Worker Crawler is weighed down.

Wizerd uses Desperate Flourish.
No effect on the Worker Crawler.

This one is strictly based on accuracy, and while it says it's inaccurate, it's actually quite accurate when you haev the appropriate accuracy. If you use an A- or A+ weapon on a main job and use this one, it'll hit a solid 95% of the time on anything around Even Match or lower. I'd say it's on level with Slugwinder, but I don't have RNG leveled so I can't comment on that for sure.

[VZX]

And just for fun...

[img]Sonia[/img]

I never noticed her WS in Campaign before...

[img]2k%20asuran%20fist[/img]

Darn you SE for making Dancer NPCs with above B rank H2H skill... (even if it's just an NPC, it kinda makes you jealous)

...Where are those Destroyers?!

DNC can use destroyers

And duh... it's campaign NPC. Commander Type also. It's broken in the same time fun to watch. like this too

[archibaldcrane]

When I'm the only dancer, I typically do one level of Quick Step, followed by one level of Box Step. That gets me -5% to both evasion *and* defense, as opposed to -7% to only one of the two. From there, I work evenly across the two, so that a missed Step doesn't cause the effect to drop. If I'm not the only dancer, we tend to each choose a Step and spam that one so they both fill up quite rapidly.

:bagel: I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter. This is what I recommend as well.

[Sukili]

I realize shit is situational, but those of you at 75, what is your current gear setup?

I'd like to know this as well. Assault Jerkin over Scorpion Harness or Palahwan body? Are Dusk Gloves a must or would the Tabin Gloves +1 be a good alternative? Which daggers are you using? /NINs using Joytoy? Anybody thought about offhanding a Kard (lvl 68: DMG: 25 DLY: 190 CHR+5)?

[chichicha]

i'm NOT in any endgame shell.
so i am just using gears in exp pt.
there is still space for me to improve my gears -

main -martial knife
off - heart snatcher or b.knife+1
ranged - tiphia sting/mamoolbane (if i need to pull)
head - pather hat/ optical hat
neck - peacoc amulet
earring - brutal earring/ suppa
body - sh+1 (acc+12) > pln, if atk needed, AJ
hands - merman's hand, if acc needed, pln hands
rings - rajas and spinel (haven't finished ToA ring)
back - amemet +1
waist - potent belt
legs - pln legs, i prefer to have denali legs, but haven't got luck yet
feet - pln feets wins all ! so far...

used these gear in exp burn pt, chain 33 so far, could be higher, if ... no 3 or more birds link LOL
(poor bard)

re - violent flourish - seems to be good idea. I spam VF quite a lot too.

cheers!

[Mikayla]

Main/Sub - Behemoth Knife/Behemoth Knife (Looking to get an Adder Jamb. and +1 Behe)
Ranged - Tiphia Sting
Head - W. Turban (Voyager for WS)
Neck - Love Torque
Earrings - Suppa/Brutal
Body - Pahluwan (Blue Cotehardie for WS)
Hands - Dusk
Rings - Jaeger/Rajas (Spinel/Rajas for WS, need Thunder or Flame)
Back - Amemet+1 (Cerb+1 or Forager's, do want. ;
Waist - Potent Belt (Too lazy atm for Swift/Speed)
Legs - Denali Kecks
Feet - Tabin Boots+1 (Still need Dusk, Savage Gaiters for WS)

Needs some improvement tbh, it's almost a half assed haste setup because I'm missing a few pieces, but I have literally little to no accuracy issues. Open to suggestions though, if something is glaringly wrong with the setup that I'm just not noticing. Still have some upgrades to do, even above and beyond what's been listed (Denali Head, Feet, Pixie, etc).

Also, just to back up what's been said, it definetly seems like having Stutter up increases the chance of Violent stunning the target. Another DNC and I did a test with Stutter step too, to see if having it up raised Drain Samba's additional effect, but we never saw anything conclusive (Sorry if anything like that was already mentioned somewhere in the thread).

[chichicha]

i am thinking tabin body+1 might be > blue ...
but depends on what ws you are doing most.

i did dancing edge, while chr mod 50% and dex mod 30%.
blue has chr-5 or 6 ? while dex up. idk ...

you do have pimp gears.
i didn't bother getting dusk gloves and feets, coz i am still poor on getting my skadi gears for my main thief job XD

[Mikayla]

i am thinking tabin body+1 might be > blue ...
but depends on what ws you are doing most.

i did dancing edge, while chr mod 50% and dex mod 30%.
blue has chr-5 or 6 ? while dex up. idk ...

you do have pimp gears.
i didn't bother getting dusk gloves and feets, coz i am still poor on getting my skadi gears for my main thief job XD

I have full Skadi, and I'm still banging my head on my desk on a daily basis because DNC can't use it.

[Lucavi]

I have full Skadi, and I'm still banging my head on my desk on a daily basis because DNC can't use it.

Saying the same about homam. It looks custom-made for dancers.

[Mikayla]

I have full Skadi, and I'm still banging my head on my desk on a daily basis because DNC can't use it.

Saying the same about homam. It looks custom-made for dancers.

Either one would be nice. D:

[Vic]

Lets petition to SE to give us dncs homam!!!

[Max™]

>.>

I'm probably the only Dnc who doesn't want to be put on the Homam job list, I have nothing to go after in Limbus, haven't done it aside from assisting a friends shell with Ultima in half a year, and would hate to have to get in line for Homam, only having one job that could/would use it.

[Lucavi]

Lets petition to SE to give us dncs homam!!!

[Ahnuld]

Lets petition to SE to give us dncs homam & skadi!!!

Fix'd.

[Tomiko]

Lets petition to SE to give us dncs homam & skadi!!!

Fix'd.

[Almalexia]

Lets petition to SE to give us dncs homam & skadi & usukane!!!

Fix'd.

:-"

[Max™]

Lets petition to SE to give us dncs a knife like Blau Dolch, and Scirroco.

Fix'd.

:-"