Dancer discussion

[miokomioko]

Must I remind thee of Puppetmaster and the lovely equipment sets they decided to stamp "PUP" on?

Don't get your hopes up. Not to mention they never once decided to put "PUP" on any sets that didn't have it from the day the job was implimented. I wouldn't expect any high-level sets to be adjusted to be equipped by Dancer aside from ones that aren't in the game yet.

Edit: I don't think they added "COR" or "BLU" to any other gear sets from that day either. In fact, has SE ever added jobs to any existing equipment after the day the job was implimented?

[Lucavi]

All we can hope for then is some decent new gear for dancer that we don't have to jump through flaming hoops to aquire. I'm hoping it'll be something campaign-related instead of the usual "lost relics of some ancient gear located in some hidden, ancient place guarded by some hidden, ancient evil monsters -- oh, by the way, they also scattered parts of the pieces of the chunks of the fragments of the segments of the individual parts of the armor... good luck finding them all" drivel they keep launching at us.

I realize that SE is pulling out all the stops trying to find ways to drain gil from the economy, but this is going a little too far. Not everyone is made of constant millions; even ones of us that are in the end-game scene.

[Gobo]

In fact, has SE ever added jobs to any existing equipment after the day the job was implimented?

COR to Shikaree Aketon and BLU/PUP to Cerise Doublet on the Oct. 19th '06 update. Other than that, I don't think so, though I could be wrong. Same thing will probably happen to DNC and SCH in due time (SCH on Glamor Jupon? DNC on Rapparee Harness?).

[Almalexia]

edit: edit: Okay, here we go:

I'm thinking about why SE slapped the new jobs on Nyzul armor and Assault armor, but Salvage/Einherjar armor was left untouched. Furthermore, why only some TAU armor for Dancer and Scholar, but none from Limbus, sky and old abjuration?

I believe SE wants to avoid creating great competition for future armor and thus refrains from adding the new jobs to seemingly appropriate, existing armor sets. As we know, SE is fond of sidegrades and situational shit. If they put, say, SCH into Zenith/Shadow/Morrigan/Nashira, the new high-level equipment in WotG may be easily ignored because whatever they add may not be marginally better (more situational?) than whatever we could already have.

We say they added BLU to Nashira and Homam and Crimson when the job appeared, and wonder why there's so much favor for BLU. Perhaps their explanation for the BLU case lies in the variability of BLU itself. The variety of armor caters to different playstyles of BLU: Nashira has haste and M.Acc, Homam has HP/MP haste and accuracy, Crimson HP/MP and stats. They could also make a similar argument for WAR who seems to get equipment from everywhere, too.

However, given what SCH does, you cannot look at Nashira and say that it's not a perfect fit for the job... it's so cruel to not add it unless they're making a WotG Nashira +1.

[Lordwafik]

However, given what SCH does, you cannot look at Nashira and say that it's not a perfect fit for the job... it's so cruel to not add it unless they're making a WotG Nashira +1.

Given what SCH does, I'm super cereal surprised at the fact SCH isn't getting morrigan.

Who cares about "Future competition", at this point of the game a large majority of people are levelling these as job #3/4/5/6/7 etc. They're naiive to think otherwise, and it's truly a waste of my old gear that I have to not be thrown onto the jobs.

[Damane]

Must I remind thee of Puppetmaster and the lovely equipment sets they decided to stamp "PUP" on?

Don't get your hopes up. Not to mention they never once decided to put "PUP" on any sets that didn't have it from the day the job was implimented. I wouldn't expect any high-level sets to be adjusted to be equipped by Dancer aside from ones that aren't in the game yet.

Edit: I don't think they added "COR" or "BLU" to any other gear sets from that day either. In fact, has SE ever added jobs to any existing equipment after the day the job was implimented?

which is basicly very wrong from SE... COR + PUP are left out on homam or kirin set. I mean common they could give us either one of the sets to play around with since every other melee/tank job can pick one of the 2 sets.

imo DNC looks more prone to the Usukane set, no job currently can equip a movement enhancing piece of gear* that can also enhance it's speed through use of a JA/spell. The Usu set has the right blend of haste acc and evasion to go with what the job could use and take advantage of. Though Homam seems like a no brainer and DNC could greatly benefit from it, SE needs to seriously reconsider us for that line of armor. The Denali set has like 2 mediocre pieces at best for most utility, furthermore blu have access to great sets, and especially, they came out already able to equip Homam so they didnt look extremely cookiecutter with SH(+1) at 75 like DNC is atm.


*not including things like sprinters shoes and aketons, but items that provide bonus 100% of the time.

I think skadi gear fits more for the added CHR it has to affect your cureing waltzes.

[VZX]

Must I remind thee of Puppetmaster and the lovely equipment sets they decided to stamp "PUP" on?

Don't get your hopes up. Not to mention they never once decided to put "PUP" on any sets that didn't have it from the day the job was implimented. I wouldn't expect any high-level sets to be adjusted to be equipped by Dancer aside from ones that aren't in the game yet.

Edit: I don't think they added "COR" or "BLU" to any other gear sets from that day either. In fact, has SE ever added jobs to any existing equipment after the day the job was implimented?

THF was not able to wield crossbows in the early day, same goes for BLU and chakram type of throwing weapon.

But I guess it's a different case when it comes to 'equipable armor'

[LD]

Possible =/= soon.

[Max™]

Well, if they were worried about applicable stats, Dnc should get Koenig.

+10 Chr and Vit on most bits +20 on Body.

[miokomioko]

Must I remind thee of Puppetmaster and the lovely equipment sets they decided to stamp "PUP" on?

Don't get your hopes up. Not to mention they never once decided to put "PUP" on any sets that didn't have it from the day the job was implimented. I wouldn't expect any high-level sets to be adjusted to be equipped by Dancer aside from ones that aren't in the game yet.

Edit: I don't think they added "COR" or "BLU" to any other gear sets from that day either. In fact, has SE ever added jobs to any existing equipment after the day the job was implimented?

THF was not able to wield crossbows in the early day, same goes for BLU and chakram type of throwing weapon.

But I guess it's a different case when it comes to 'equipable armor'

Damn, I had totally forgot about THF/Crossbow, BLU/Chakram and RNG/Axe... But I suppose it still holds true about any complete armor sets... so yeah!

[Damane]

Well, if they were worried about applicable stats, Dnc should get Koenig.

+10 Chr and Vit on most bits +20 on Body.

well könig is classified as heavy armor tough.

[Shadowhusky]

Well, if they were worried about applicable stats, Dnc should get Koenig.

+10 Chr and Vit on most bits +20 on Body.

well könig is classified as heavy armor tough.

Simple rule that's held up so far. If THF can wear it, mostly likely (95% chance) DNC can/will wear it. Gear not following this rule is THF/RNG/COR only stuff (And JSE and AF).

[Koeta]

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[miokomioko]

Well, if they were worried about applicable stats, Dnc should get Koenig.

+10 Chr and Vit on most bits +20 on Body.

well könig is classified as heavy armor tough.

Simple rule that's held up so far. If THF can wear it, mostly likely (95% chance) DNC can/will wear it. Gear not following this rule is THF/RNG/COR only stuff (And JSE and AF).

What about the rule that SE hasn't added jobs to equipment after the fact? (aside from addinga few jobs to weapon-types)

[Shadowhusky]

Well, if they were worried about applicable stats, Dnc should get Koenig.

+10 Chr and Vit on most bits +20 on Body.

well könig is classified as heavy armor tough.

Simple rule that's held up so far. If THF can wear it, mostly likely (95% chance) DNC can/will wear it. Gear not following this rule is THF/RNG/COR only stuff (And JSE and AF).

What about the rule that SE hasn't added jobs to equipment after the fact? (aside from addinga few jobs to weapon-types)

They could be added later, who knows for sure. Maybe SE withheld some gear from both jobs to see how the playerbase shapes each job out really.

[Lucavi]

Gimmie homam -- end of discussion.

[miokomioko]

I don't doubt that they have some equipment sets that are more suited for Dancers and Scholars that haven't been released. I think it's obvious that they prefer to see how the real players in real situations utilize the new jobs before they even finalize the Artifact armor statistics. I just think it's incredibly unrealistic to hope/expect SE to add jobs to existing endgame sets because the stats "would be perfect." I have never seen it happen and I don't expect to either... It would be nice, but I think it's a joke thinking they are gonna' just slap "DNC" on the Homam set when it's something they've never done with a newer job after the day it was added, as far as I know.

[Lordender]

I don't think dnc will get homam but should get skadi.

[Koyangi]

Ding 75 earlier, oh how fun that ride was. 5manned a colibri camp with drk,relic gkt sam, drg, brd, me; main healed no rdm 23k an hr, with other melee who know how to use shadows/seigan/TE, dnc solo main heal at birds is easy.

[Nyiri]

Earlier today, I had the pleasure of doing the "Mercenary Camp" BC as a Dancer. This BC is basically a six-man fight against the five Serpent Generals from Aht Urhgan. Level 60 cap, no subjob. Before the fight, I wasn't really sure whether going on DNC was really a good idea. It was my first real BC fight on DNC, and I wasn't sure I'd be able to generate TP speedily enough to be useful.

Oh, how wrong I was. I brought a nice pile of consumables to this fight, just in case: an Icarus Wing, a pair of Powder Boots, a High Elixir. I used one piece of Sole Sushi and a charge off of my Reraise Hairpin, and that's it.

The fight opened with Gadalar throwing an Aeroga III at us. A Step and a Flourish later, and that was stunned. From there, the group's DDs chewed through him without great calamity, and out came Rughadjeen. We whittled away at him until he threw a Ground Strike at our MNK, hitting her for just shy of 1k damage and knocking her right over. Not much any of us could have done about that. Near the end of Rughadjeen's lifespan, Zazarg came out. The RDM kept him busy for us until we were done with Rughadjeen. By this time, our WHM had run out of MP, and the RDM was starting to run against his Convert timer. Also by this time, I had about 200% TP, which made me the main healer for a bit.

At this time, I started throwing around my largest Waltz on whoever needed it, as soon as the timer was ready. This got me a bit of hate, and when Najelith came out, she set her sights on me. I got to tank Najelith for awhile while we finished Zazarg. It was quite a bit less dangerous than I thought. I was able to easily produce more TP than was needed to keep myself standing for this. Eventually, despite Mihli's Benediction and cures, Najelith fell. Near this time, our WHM came back online, and was able, via her own Benediction and Cures, to see us through Mihli's destruction.

While an in-depth discussion of this particular BC is beyond the scope of this thread, I think it's worth mentioning a Dancer's role in it, and how well the job performed, especially in the context of having no subjob available.

I found that the job exceeded my expectations here by quite a bit. As is usual with post-40 DNC, I used Steps primarily as a means to build TP, via Reverse Flourish. Between this and normal melee work, TP generation was more than sufficient to meet the fight's demands, which was my primary concern going into the fight. Violent Flourish was especially useful for the BLM. While I wouldn't expect a single Dancer to cover all of the healing needs for the fight, it was a wonderful supplement to the WHM and RDM, both of which were very heavily taxed and in need of any relief they could get. Last but not least, the job was actually functional as an add tank. The one caveat here, though, is that tanking the add via evasion + Waltzes bought me so much hate on Najelith that the PLD had quite a bit of work to get her off of me, especially since she didn't have a subjob available either. Later in the fight, we had similar hate problems against Mihli, who was more than happy to crush me for spamming a few cures too many.

After that experience, though, I'm *definitely* considering showing up at more events dressed to dance. I'm looking forward to seeing how the job meets future challenges!