Dancer discussion

[Tsutsumiko]

You wont cause flail unless you pull hate and that isn't happening with SAing stutter step.

And like gods, where you hit for 0-2 and have crappy acc, NFR will help out greatly; you'd only have to land one step because the next one in the cycle would be SA'd. It should also go without saying that +30% macc to your blms/brds/rdms would be pretty game breaking.

Also, on Cerberus I was curious to see how potent it'd be since death blossom's magic evasion was able to take mobs' immunities off. And hell, lowering resist rates by ~1/3 is a pretty big deal, I'm pretty optimistic and am thinking it'll fair pretty well.

Fair enough. You've made your point

I'll try it out whenever I get the chance (with my current work load, probably not for a bit, specially since my THF sub isn't all the way done yet)

I still say Fafnir, it'll never happen. I don't fight Cerb anymore since I'm retired from HNMs.

Sky...that is doable. Again, get back to you in a few weeks if I can.

[Toth]

A good salve for the damage issue I wonder is to eat pizza and hope for a BRD/ COR in your party to further increase your attack to creep over the O thershold. Or, dare I suggest, try DNC/WAR for Berserk.....?

NFR at least solved the TP issue for the start of battles (even 3 in NFR and some in Reverse Flourish will allow you to get enough TP per NFR to use Haste Samba or Drain Samba III).

[Thunder]

Fair enough. You've made your point

I'll try it out whenever I get the chance (with my current work load, probably not for a bit, specially since my THF sub isn't all the way done yet)

I still say Fafnir, it'll never happen. I don't fight Cerb anymore since I'm retired from HNMs.

Sky...that is doable. Again, get back to you in a few weeks if I can.

Looking forward to the read, I can assure you I'll be lurking!

[Talint]

A good salve for the damage issue I wonder is to eat pizza and hope for a BRD/ COR in your party to further increase your attack to creep over the O thershold. Or, dare I suggest, try DNC/WAR for Berserk.....?.

I thought about this. Are there any shields that DNC can equip that would make not dual-wielding seem a bit more viable?

This is also why I'm interested in hitting an acc/haste build that would make eating meat viable. That would help offset a low attack stat on top of low-damage rating weapons. I used to ponder a similar problem when PLD was my only 75 job and I was trying to build a decent DD set.

PLD has got a lot more weapons and gear options than DNC though for such a task. :/

[urat]

No. Chocobo Jig wears off the moment you perform any action on a mob, or the mob lands any action on you.

How do you not know that as a level 66 dancer?

no fucking duh.

That's why you do it when your out of range.

[Tsutsumiko]

no fucking duh.

That's why you do it when your out of range.

Have you SEEEEEEEN how long the casting animation is for that? It's like 5 seconds. Anything and I mean ANYTHING that you have hate on can and WILL catch up to you.

If you don't have hate, you need to get hate back. You're not getting hate back unless you Fan Dance + Cure Bomb (wastes too much TP) or Animated Flourish. Cure bomb wastes all your TP so you aren't going to have anything else to keep hate with.

Animated Flourish cancels your jig.

Now please, I'll say this once, nicely, and I'm sure I speak for everyone in this topic when I say

"STOP SHITTING UP THE THREAD. POST AFTER YOU'RE LEVEL 75 AND HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH THE JOB."

[Talint]

no fucking duh.

That's why you do it when your out of range.

Fucking brilliant conclusion there, Spock. How exactly are you getting out of range? And what are you going to do when the mob catches up with you trying to pull a Chocobo Jig out of your ass? What are you going to try and do to maintain hate on whatever you're kiting?

Do you even fucking play this game?

[Mesiah]

It was actually proven that you can use dat swaps to keep you from being held in place durring chocobo jig. But in this day and age of the ban hammer being thrown around on a whimm I dont know who in their right mind would risk it. If you are wondering, when you use jig your feet start sparkling and you pick up speed. Not too noticeable but, still dont think I would tempt fate.

Also, with all the talk about keeping TP up while not meleeing, or not being able to hit for more than 0. With step acc from AF/relic and full reverse flourish merits you should be able to easily keep enough tp for steps. If you are still concerned just NFR/ sleep tp or even fight a mob before hand to get 300tp so you have a nice big buffer incase of some misses.

[orinthia]

Just took dnc to proto ultima yesterday. I logged in late, ls already had a bunch of melees and a couple tanks so it actually didn't matter what I did and they wanted to see how it'd fair (I don't have any mage jobs so I couldn't fulfill mp-support).

Our ultimas are usually not very clean. There's usually a lack of something that just keeps it from going smoothly... This time it was brds/cors (had none). My main function was to use haste samba and try to stun as I stacked up steps. I can't parse so I don't know my true acc on landing steps or just plain acc with sushi but it seemed pretty high (used af gloves for steps, actually kept the dusk off so I could run away at a moment's notice). I do know that with such low attack I was still hitting just above 0 enough for decent tp gain unless it used its physical shield. Even with that and mana shield I could still stun it so that was dandy.

On stuns it seemed pretty good for our first portion of the fight until CB mode hp. Then it began not getting VF-stunned more often. Not sure if it's a resistance build-up or just because my stutters were wearing off from the running away every CB heh.

Unfortunately with as many melees as we had there were points where ultima was pissed and used things like back to back armor busters or when a melee pulls hate they get wirecutter/etc to the face. In these circumstances you either have everyone taking 600+dmg x2 or that one melee is essentially one-shotted from full hp. There's not a whole lot you can do to keep them cured since you also are almost dead in the process, so it's either a weak divine waltz or waltz3/4 on someone while you back off out of aoe range. Needless to say I didn't die during our excursion though a good few others did. I just about never took hate (think it only melee'd me a whole three times and only hit shadows).

Wish dnc had something similar to mnk with formless strikes so that it'd have an easier time meleeing something so tough for more then single digits. Probably the most frustrating thing is watching a tank nearly die before cure4s land when you're sitting on a bunch of tp and fresh timers... stupid pt only restriction...



TL;DR
Stuns are there and stutter/box steps are useful, but it can't do much other then keep itself alive and give melees more haste. /insert grumbles about pt only cures/sambas/single digit dmg

Somehow I'd imagine most other hnm fights will turn into this for dnc. Stuns, haste samba, cures, and single digit dmg heh.

[urat]

Obviously I'm still tryign to communicate with the kind of noob dancers that havent bothered to dat swap (or just delete) chocobo jig, spectral jig...

And your calling me stupid.

Go to rom1:193:115.dat

Right click.

Cut.

Move it somewhere else. (note this is if your a taru, 0 idea what the other race dats are, find it yourself)

Now go ingame and do a chocob jig.

Bam, no annoying 5 second animation. Instant cast.

Now then, you gonna answer my question now that I've destroyed your only semi credible argument or all of you so damn high on your "I'm teh 75 dnc I nmo everytings" horse to have ever tried kiting?

Myself using utsu ichi and desperate flourish alone am able to kite entire BCNM pakcs of mobs around no problem. I've never experimented with chocobo jig since I havent done many BCNMs past 50. I was curious if any of you have tried it but obviously you all lakc the necessary skills to delete one of the most annoying dats in the game, manage 3 shadows, and pop a single ja to bother.

Guess I'll try it myself later and post my results if I feel like it. OH BTW

3% haste is only greater than 5 tp store when your sitting at 60% haste or higher. And even then the increase in tp per minute is 1 over the 5 tp store.

Anything lower and the 5 tp store has a notabel lead on 3% haste. It IS possible to hit 60% haste but for soloing the 5 tp store is actually better unless you are campaigning on a fortification and bought a spys drink.

[Toth]

/facepalm

Pray tell how a DNC will keep hate for kiting with this 'strategy'. You're not making sense. Besides, hasn;t cheating/manipulating the system already took us all something...

[urat]

/facepalm

Pray tell how a DNC will keep hate for kiting with this 'strategy'. You're not making sense. Besides, hasn;t cheating/manipulating the system already took us all something...

If your that anal abotu cheating then make simple blink macro

You already should have it considering the whole "tabin boots er moar 1337" convo everyone was throwing at me then

/equip af feet
chocobo jig
/equip other feet

Same thing. Skips animation, instant cast. Why the hell am I talkign to you guys if you don't even have a simple macro to skip the damn 5 second animation?

Next you're gonna tell me you don't macro your body in to cure people and you dont have a corsette / rings right?

Edit: Ah sorry didnt answer other part.

I was more reffering to kiting mobs for BCNMs and etc. You dont need to keep hate that hard when your the only oen that has attacked the mob.

Toss the fruit loop and grab one or two, have the group pull one off, you desperate flourish other, book it, get out of range, chocobo jig, and start kiting.

By the time desperate flourish wears your long gone. This doesnt work well for some area,s but places like quibia arena and horlairis are a breeze.

[Toth]

Some helpful advice:

Don't talk down to people who offer fair criticism of your 'theories'. You are doing a lot of assuming and we all know what THAT does...

[orinthia]

/equip af feet
chocobo jig
/equip other feet

That doesn't work (even with a /wait 1 added). You'll continue dancing the whole jig before or after your character switches shoes (depending on where the /wait 1 is), stopping you in your tracks. If you take what you wrote verbatim then it won't do the swap after the jig (you'll just be in af boots unless you already had them on, in which case it'll swap to other feet and then do the whole jig).

The only way out is to either be lagging like a mofo (but it'll eventually catch up and jig you; try it on a fresh zone-into-town from a campaign heh) or mess with your dats...

Considering choco jig is lv55 it means you've been bc60-ing, in which most of the ones you'd kite aren't especially hard as is. I'd imagine the eva bonus traits come in handy for that, but things that you'd want to kite while others are actively damaging them would be a different story.

[Flippant]

How about you go and try out this Chocobo Jig thing for yourself since you're so much better than us? Come back when you're done and tell us how it worked out for you. No use trolling us with the same thing over and over again; we're obviously not experienced enough DNCs to even have valid contributions/critiques to your theories.

What's the point of asking us if something you came up with is a good idea or not if the only answer you'll accept is "Brilliant!"

[Howard Roark]

Urat are you even past level 64 DNC yet? all you do is come on here with your half-assed untested ideas HAY DOES THIS WORK IF ONLY I HAD A HIGH ENOUGH DNC FOR CHOCOBO JIG TO TEST SOMETHING OHWAIT I DO LOL

[Mesiah]

Obviously I'm still tryign to communicate with the kind of noob dancers that havent bothered to dat swap (or just delete) chocobo jig, spectral jig...

And your calling me stupid.

Go to rom1:193:115.dat

Right click.

Cut.

Move it somewhere else. (note this is if your a taru, 0 idea what the other race dats are, find it yourself)

Now go ingame and do a chocob jig.

Bam, no annoying 5 second animation. Instant cast.

Wow, just wow. Your right. Me and everyone else who haven't dat swapped our jigs are all noobs. I've held my tongue on your posts here until that one. Any dnc that wants to keep their character for another year isn't stupid enough to dat swap their chocobo jig, ESPECIALLY if they are using it to gain an advantage in end game. If you don't think SE will ban you when GMs watch you firing off jig while running, then you are even dumber than all of the people here say you are. Then again, go ahead and keep doing it, I'll "get back to you after the next ban cycle." lol.

And furthermore, don't call us all idiots then tell us to use a gear swap to get rid of the jig freeze when anyone who has a 75dnc (obviously not you) knows that shit doesn't work. So stop spreading misinformation under the guise of some high and mighty know it all.

[minsk]

And furthermore, don't call us all idiots then tell us to use a gear swap to get rid of the jig freeze when anyone who has a 75dnc (obviously not you) knows that shit doesn't work. So stop spreading misinformation under the guise of some high and mighty know it all.

Just popping in and this caught my eye, Why doesn't it work for DNC? BST's have been doing this with there charm macros for years, but are the animations for DNC unblinkable?

[Klain]

There's still that same wait even with gear swaps, and you don't blink till after the animation iirc.

[Falisa]

Even if you blink before the animation wears off, as soon as you load back up, you will still do the animation.